takoma wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a platitude, not a tenet of the religion. It's a saying designed to help someone in trying times bear with the current difficulties, but it isn't indoctrinated into the religion.

Think of it in the same vein as the non-religious sayings "It's always darkest before the storm" "There's no place to go from here but up" and "It was meant to be"

Not to make a fuss over a typo, but I'll take the opportunity for a bit of propaganda: If PP had chosen to sign in rather than posting anonymously, s/he could have gone back and corrected that "darkest before the storm" as soon as s/he recalled that darkness comes before the dawn and calm before the storm.

This posting is an example of that other famous saying: "If you make a mistake on DCUM, there's sure to be a shmuck who'll nitpick it".

You are among the rare posters who choose a pin name (yep, you're still anonymous). Most of us choose not to sign in and post anonymously. Allow us that option, please. It is our choice just like yours.

Anonymous wrote:A child with cancer. How is that caused by anyone's free will? So what happens, that piece of crap-tastic life experience is handed out just so someone can say God will bring them through it?

I don't buy it. Someone certainly hands out more than a lot of people can handle, and it isn't all caused by another human being.

I won't try and debate you but I can tell when someone has not read scripture and goes by emotion and feelings. The earth and its people were corrupted by the initial sin by Adam and Eve and everything since then has been corruptible from emotions, intellect, physical.

Whether you buy into scripture or not, that's up to you but anyone who has ever read and studied will understand what I'm talking about. We all deal with the emotional aspect of your example of a child with cancer. But since you have already decided that scripture is something you will not buy nor read nor study, then no one here will be able to answer your question from a non-spiritual view, only a self-conceived answer and there will be plenty of those in differing opinion. Spiritually based posters are on the same wavelength, and that's because our answers are derived from scripture. No other explanation is plausible for us. It is by choice just as it is for an atheist, Buddhist, Islam, Hindu, Judaism.

Your decision of what you believe (or not believe) was made long before you posted here.

Anonymous wrote:It's a platitude, not a tenet of the religion. It's a saying designed to help someone in trying times bear with the current difficulties, but it isn't indoctrinated into the religion.

Think of it in the same vein as the non-religious sayings "It's always darkest before the storm" "There's no place to go from here but up" and "It was meant to be"

Not to make a fuss over a typo, but I'll take the opportunity for a bit of propaganda: If PP had chosen to sign in rather than posting anonymously, s/he could have gone back and corrected that "darkest before the storm" as soon as s/he recalled that darkness comes before the dawn and calm before the storm.

This posting is an example of that other famous saying: "If you make a mistake on DCUM, there's sure to be a shmuck who'll nitpick it".

A child with cancer. How is that caused by anyone's free will? So what happens, that piece of crap-tastic life experience is handed out just so someone can say God will bring them through it?

I don't buy it. Someone certainly hands out more than a lot of people can handle, and it isn't all caused by another human being.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:God does not bring you misery, so he most certainly is not going to give you 'just enough' of it [u]
I hate that saying.
I think it is most often a perversion (for lack of a better word ) of 2 Corinthians 12:9
9 " But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me."

I agree. There us a misguided belief thatGod somehow caused or allowed people's suffering. God does not cause anyone's suffering.

Every time I have suffered, it was either something I did or another human being did it to me. That's called free will. People will jump back and say ' but why did God let little Mary die in the car accident hit by a drunk driver'? I don't profess to know God's reasoning for allowing it but I do know that if we live in this world, we will be exposed to the nefarious free will of others.

Free will, on both sides of the coin, comes with a price. It's either all or nothing. Sorry, didn't mean to get off the subject.

You did not get off the topic.
You are spot on.
God did not cause it, but He sure will see you through and provide 'the peace that surpasses all understanding'
His grace truly is sufficient.
That doesn't mean it is easy, but it is do-able.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:God does not bring you misery, so he most certainly is not going to give you 'just enough' of it [u]
I hate that saying.
I think it is most often a perversion (for lack of a better word ) of 2 Corinthians 12:9
9 " But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me."

I agree. There us a misguided belief thatGod somehow caused or allowed people's suffering. God does not cause anyone's suffering.

Every time I have suffered, it was either something I did or another human being did it to me. That's called free will. People will jump back and say ' but why did God let little Mary die in the car accident hit by a drunk driver'? I don't profess to know God's reasoning for allowing it but I do know that if we live in this world, we will be exposed to the nefarious free will of others.

Free will, on both sides of the coin, comes with a price. It's either all or nothing. Sorry, didn't mean to get off the subject.

Anonymous wrote:God does not bring you misery, so he most certainly is not going to give you 'just enough' of it [u]
I hate that saying.
I think it is most often a perversion (for lack of a better word ) of 2 Corinthians 12:9
9 " But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me."

I agree. There us a misguided belief thatGod somehow caused or allowed people's suffering. God does not cause anyone's suffering.

I agree with the PPs that that is a saying and not a theological stance or doctrine of any religion.

God does not bring you misery, so he most certainly is not going to give you 'just enough' of it
I hate that saying.
I think it is most often a perversion (for lack of a better word ) of 2 Corinthians 12:9
9 " But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me."

It's something people tell themselves (or others) to feel better, but there's no real truth to it.

Anonymous wrote:It's a platitude, not a tenet of the religion. It's a saying designed to help someone in trying times bear with the current difficulties, but it isn't indoctrinated into the religion.

Think of it in the same vein as the non-religious sayings "It's always darkest before the storm" "There's no place to go from here but up" and "It was meant to be"

+1

It's a platitude, not a tenet of the religion. It's a saying designed to help someone in trying times bear with the current difficulties, but it isn't indoctrinated into the religion.

Think of it in the same vein as the non-religious sayings "It's always darkest before the storm" "There's no place to go from here but up" and "It was meant to be"

I don't believe this. When a child goes missing and is not found? That sounds like more than anyone can handle, constant torture.

This is a big bag of bullshit.

I have heard this a lot in the last few years. Is there ANY substance or foundation for this in Hebrew or Christian scriptures? I only have a small familiarity with both but it seems to me they are filled with instances where God gave people a great deal more than they could handle, on purpose -- Moses, Job, Noah come to mind.

Why would anyone believe that God would only give them up to a certain allotment of problems, and no more?