Anonymous
Post 05/11/2013 21:53     Subject: Re:Anyone else thinks FCPS put more bank on the FXAT this year than NNAT or other parts?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How to they determine "ESOL" kids. Is ESOL based on the form filled out prior to enrollment or is they another way to define a kid as ESOL?


In my experience ESOL is defined during registration by answering the questions "what languages are spoken in your home other than English" on the registration form. I filled that out for my youngest because I was being quite literal with an au pair that spoke German residing in our house. He was tested at the beginning of the year is classified ESOL, but fluent, so receives no additional services. We are native English speakers and have two other kids not classified as ESOL.


Does the ESOL classification follow them? I put another language spoken at home for DC (since we do).. same thing though, DC is fluent in English and receives no additional services. Also wondering since DC did extremely well on NNAT2, will this help put weight on this test?
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2013 16:30     Subject: Anyone else thinks FCPS put more bank on the FXAT this year than NNAT or other parts?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes, I think that might be true. My son was in pool for NNAT and had slightly above 60% on all parts of the FxAT. He had a good GBRS and was found ineligible.

I also believe the FxAT scores severely disadvantage kids that are younger - of course my son is a late September birthday. I would love to see if the age distribution changed this year.

what is a good GBRS?
those scores aren't close but you think if your DC was afew months older that would make a difference? could be, but that's a lot of ground to make up.

These are kinds of posts made by trolls ... Just sayin. Of course not you.


Absolutely not a troll. The FxAT was not age normed, nor was it against any national standard. It was meant to rank and stack knowledge of all the 2nd graders in FCPS. There are plenty of posts about that here. The WISC is normed and he did extremely well - in the very superior range.

The only way to tell if a late birthday was at disadvantage would be to correlate scores against birthdate.


Ok PP good luck with the appeal!
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2013 16:16     Subject: Anyone else thinks FCPS put more bank on the FXAT this year than NNAT or other parts?
The very superior range on the WISC is 132-139, right? So I think scoring in the 60-70th percentile compared to all the other fairfax kids taking the test isn't wildly off. It seems like he should be in on appeal with that WISC and the high NNAT.

Anonymous
Post 05/11/2013 15:47     Subject: Anyone else thinks FCPS put more bank on the FXAT this year than NNAT or other parts?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes, I think that might be true. My son was in pool for NNAT and had slightly above 60% on all parts of the FxAT. He had a good GBRS and was found ineligible.

I also believe the FxAT scores severely disadvantage kids that are younger - of course my son is a late September birthday. I would love to see if the age distribution changed this year.

what is a good GBRS?
those scores aren't close but you think if your DC was afew months older that would make a difference? could be, but that's a lot of ground to make up.

These are kinds of posts made by trolls ... Just sayin. Of course not you.


Absolutely not a troll. The FxAT was not age normed, nor was it against any national standard. It was meant to rank and stack knowledge of all the 2nd graders in FCPS. There are plenty of posts about that here. The WISC is normed and he did extremely well - in the very superior range.

The only way to tell if a late birthday was at disadvantage would be to correlate scores against birthdate.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2013 14:02     Subject: Re:Anyone else thinks FCPS put more bank on the FXAT this year than NNAT or other parts?
I think there is a place on the AAP cover sheet where the local screening committee can check off "ESOL."
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2013 13:08     Subject: Anyone else thinks FCPS put more bank on the FXAT this year than NNAT or other parts?
Anonymous wrote:Yes, I think that might be true. My son was in pool for NNAT and had slightly above 60% on all parts of the FxAT. He had a good GBRS and was found ineligible.

I also believe the FxAT scores severely disadvantage kids that are younger - of course my son is a late September birthday. I would love to see if the age distribution changed this year.

what is a good GBRS?
those scores aren't close but you think if your DC was afew months older that would make a difference? could be, but that's a lot of ground to make up.

These are kinds of posts made by trolls ... Just sayin. Of course not you.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2013 11:40     Subject: Anyone else thinks FCPS put more bank on the FXAT this year than NNAT or other parts?
Yes, I think that might be true. My son was in pool for NNAT and had slightly above 60% on all parts of the FxAT. He had a good GBRS and was found ineligible.

I also believe the FxAT scores severely disadvantage kids that are younger - of course my son is a late September birthday. I would love to see if the age distribution changed this year.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2013 11:35     Subject: Re:Anyone else thinks FCPS put more bank on the FXAT this year than NNAT or other parts?
Anonymous wrote:How to they determine "ESOL" kids. Is ESOL based on the form filled out prior to enrollment or is they another way to define a kid as ESOL?


In my experience ESOL is defined during registration by answering the questions "what languages are spoken in your home other than English" on the registration form. I filled that out for my youngest because I was being quite literal with an au pair that spoke German residing in our house. He was tested at the beginning of the year is classified ESOL, but fluent, so receives no additional services. We are native English speakers and have two other kids not classified as ESOL.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2013 10:35     Subject: Re:Anyone else thinks FCPS put more bank on the FXAT this year than NNAT or other parts?
Anonymous wrote:I read somewhere that the NNAT is intended to capture ESOL students who might otherwise not do well on the CogAT because CogAT is heavily language dependent. So, unless your kid is ESOL, the CogAT (or Fx CogAT) is what they look at most closely.


How to they determine "ESOL" kids. Is ESOL based on the form filled out prior to enrollment or is they another way to define a kid as ESOL?
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2013 09:47     Subject: Re:Anyone else thinks FCPS put more bank on the FXAT this year than NNAT or other parts?
Anonymous wrote:I read somewhere that the NNAT is intended to capture ESOL students who might otherwise not do well on the CogAT because CogAT is heavily language dependent. So, unless your kid is ESOL, the CogAT (or Fx CogAT) is what they look at most closely.


Not in DC's case. In pool based on NNAT. FxAt VQN well below the cut-off, but nonverbal subscore was consistent with NNAT. Not ESOL. Center-eligible.
Anonymous
Post 05/10/2013 22:52     Subject: Re:Anyone else thinks FCPS put more bank on the FXAT this year than NNAT or other parts?
I read somewhere that the NNAT is intended to capture ESOL students who might otherwise not do well on the CogAT because CogAT is heavily language dependent. So, unless your kid is ESOL, the CogAT (or Fx CogAT) is what they look at most closely.
Anonymous
Post 05/10/2013 22:36     Subject: Anyone else thinks FCPS put more bank on the FXAT this year than NNAT or other parts?
Also, wasn't point that FxAT was supposed to be less preppable?
Anonymous
Post 05/10/2013 22:18     Subject: Anyone else thinks FCPS put more bank on the FXAT this year than NNAT or other parts?
5% of FAT in-pool, vs. maybe 12-15% NNAT in-pool, it's not surprised to see high FAT kids (not fat) found eligible.
Anonymous
Post 05/10/2013 21:36     Subject: Anyone else thinks FCPS put more bank on the FXAT this year than NNAT or other parts?
Yes
Anonymous
Post 05/10/2013 20:53     Subject: Anyone else thinks FCPS put more bank on the FXAT this year than NNAT or other parts?
Seems like Im seeing lots of eligible stats with high FXAT scores, even it there were lower NNAT or GBRS. But not the other way around. Anyone else observe the same?