"Women are naturally helpless to exercise political positions. The natural order and the facts show us that man is the being for politics by excellence; the Scriptures show us that the woman is always the support of the thoughtful man and and doer, but nothing more than that." - Pope Francis (http://www.elpais.cr/frontend/noticia_detalle/1/79169)

Anyone that has respect for an institution that would excommunicate a learned woman for seeking priesthood, but not excommunicate men who rape children, doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. What unbelievably screwed up priorities.

This thread has been jacked!

The U.S. and Native Americans?The U.S. and Hiroshima?

Anonymous wrote:Let's keep Pope Francis in perspective. He is anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage and adoption [by gays].

And so are some other churches/sects.

If you're looking for Francis to support, say, married lesbian priests in the short term, you'll probably be disappointed.

If you're hoping to see more transparency and accountability, and a renewed emphasis on Catholic social teaching and service to the poor, then I would be hopeful.

Anonymous wrote:He's reportedly against gay couples adopting.

16:32 Can we please be respectful? The Pope is relevant to millions of educated people.

From another thread, "educated person." Hope you're not a woman, at least.

"Women are naturally helpless to exercise political positions. The natural order and the facts show us that man is the being for politics by excellence; the Scriptures show us that the woman is always the support of the thoughtful man and and doer, but nothing more than that." - Pope Francis (2007)

Anonymous wrote:Being respectful of an institution that has actively protected pedophiles is not something that my ethics demand. I cannot even imagine that anyone who understands that history has anything to do with the church or its leaders. And no, I don't think you take the bad with the good when it is that unspeakably bad. Institutionalized abuse of children is probably the most horrible thing I can conjure besides the institutionalized killing of a race. I cannot understand supporting any organization that was a part of either.

Hear, hear!

Anonymous wrote:Let's keep Pope Francis in perspective. He is anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage and adoption.

He sounds like he'll be an improvement on Curia/institutional reform (that includes child sex abuse) and social justice (i.e. actually giving a fuck about people once they're born.)

Or, at least my hopes are higher than they were with Benedict -- if he can be like John Paul I was shaping up to be or like John XXIII, I will be very pleased.

Being respectful of an institution that has actively protected pedophiles is not something that my ethics demand. I cannot even imagine that anyone who understands that history has anything to do with the church or its leaders. And no, I don't think you take the bad with the good when it is that unspeakably bad. Institutionalized abuse of children is probably the most horrible thing I can conjure besides the institutionalized killing of a race. I cannot understand supporting any organization that was a part of either.

He's reportedly against gay couples adopting.

16:32 Can we please be respectful? The Pope is relevant to millions of educated people.

Anonymous wrote:He's against adoption????????

Against gay adoption.

He's against adoption????????

Wonder what his stance is on child rape.

jeez is the pope relevant to anyone with an education?

Let's keep Pope Francis in perspective. He is anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage and adoption.

I say they should embrace technology the nect time around with electronic balloting.....like Ipads all around instead of the paper counting.

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