Anonymous
02/25/2013 14:25
Subject: Re:Longfellow, Carson, etc % admitted to TJ?
Anonymous wrote:something like 80% of the students admitted from Longfellow were in AAP and 20% were not.
Thank you. The 80% number above sounds sort of low but it still proves the point....
Just compare Liberty MS to Rocky Run MS: Liberty MS (which has Honors nut no GT Center) is far larger and yet they are lucky if they send 1 or 2 students to TJ every year. However Rocky Run, which has a GT Center, sends about 50 students to TJ every year. It ain't just coincidence!
To the person who thought my comment several messages above was defensive: NOT AT ALL, I 'm simply tired of people giving opinions without the facts to back them up.
Acutally, it proves my point that not ALL students accepted to TJ from Longfellow were AAP. My point was not an opinion.
Anonymous
02/25/2013 14:00
Subject: Re:Longfellow, Carson, etc % admitted to TJ?
something like 80% of the students admitted from Longfellow were in AAP and 20% were not.
Thank you. The 80% number above sounds sort of low but it still proves the point....
Just compare Liberty MS to Rocky Run MS: Liberty MS (which has Honors nut no GT Center) is far larger and yet they are lucky if they send 1 or 2 students to TJ every year. However Rocky Run, which has a GT Center, sends about 50 students to TJ every year. It ain't just coincidence!
To the person who thought my comment several messages above was defensive: NOT AT ALL, I 'm simply tired of people giving opinions without the facts to back them up.
Anonymous
02/25/2013 13:57
Subject: Longfellow, Carson, etc % admitted to TJ?
Anonymous wrote:
I don't know the number of 8th graders at these schools last year. It's hard to tell because FCPS reports the number of non-AAP 7th and 8th graders separately, but then lumps all the AAP kids together. However, here are the TJ admissions as a percentage of all students (7th and 8th AAP and non-AAP) at the schools as of June 2012:
Carson 5.7%
Longfellow 5.4%
Rocky Run 5.1%
Kilmer 3.8%
Frost 1.8%
Jackson 1.7%
Lake Braddock 1.6%
Twain 1.1%
The main impact of looking at percentages vs. raw numbers is that Rocky Run, which is smaller than all the other schools except for Twain, looks better and Lake Braddock, which is the biggest MS in the county, looks worse.
And here's how it would look as a percentage of just 8th grade students, based on the total number of 8th graders enrolled at these schools in the fall of 2011 (as reported on the Department of Education web site for VA):
Carson 11.5%
Longfellow 10.6%
Rocky Run 10.1%
Kilmer 7.8%
Jackson 3.5%
Frost 3.3%
Lake Braddock 3.2%
Twain 2.4%
Anonymous
02/25/2013 13:43
Subject: Longfellow, Carson, etc % admitted to TJ?
I can't find it now, but someone had posted a power point presentation that contained the number of students from the schools that are admitted to TJ that are in AAP. I believe it was part of the current working groups on TJ admissions and AAP. One of the charts showed that the majority of students that are admitted are AAP students, but it was not all of the students - something like 80% of the students admitted from Longfellow were in AAP and 20% were not. I was surprised becaused I assumed all the students admitted to TJ would be AAP students.
The centers do help the whole school in this regard. In some schools, general education students who are only advanced in math will take math with the AAP class. These students may later apply for TJ. They would not be an AAP accepted student, but they did receive the AAP instruction in the elementary schools.
The centers do help the whole school in this regard. In some schools, general education students who are only advanced in math will take math with the AAP class. These students may later apply for TJ. They would not be an AAP accepted student, but they did receive the AAP instruction in the elementary schools.
Anonymous
02/25/2013 13:38
Subject: Longfellow, Carson, etc % admitted to TJ?
Anonymous wrote:Longfellow also has more students than many other middle schools in the county. These numbers would be a lot more useful in percentages.
I don't know the number of 8th graders at these schools last year. It's hard to tell because FCPS reports the number of non-AAP 7th and 8th graders separately, but then lumps all the AAP kids together. However, here are the TJ admissions as a percentage of all students (7th and 8th AAP and non-AAP) at the schools as of June 2012:
Carson 5.7%
Longfellow 5.4%
Rocky Run 5.1%
Kilmer 3.8%
Frost 1.8%
Jackson 1.7%
Lake Braddock 1.6%
Twain 1.1%
The main impact of looking at percentages vs. raw numbers is that Rocky Run, which is smaller than all the other schools except for Twain, looks better and Lake Braddock, which is the biggest MS in the county, looks worse.
Anonymous
02/25/2013 13:17
Subject: Longfellow, Carson, etc % admitted to TJ?
Longfellow also has more students than many other middle schools in the county. These numbers would be a lot more useful in percentages.
Anonymous
02/25/2013 13:13
Subject: Re:Longfellow, Carson, etc % admitted to TJ?
Anonymous wrote:So your point is it's just coincidence that the kids that go to TJ happen to mostly come from the GT Center schools even though those kids are not in the GT Center at those schools? Baloney. If you're going to make outrageous statements, kindly back them up with facts and figures...
Anonymous wrote:
My experience at Longfellow is that a decent number of the Longfellow students are NOT in the AAP. However, all the ones I know who were not in AAP and were admitted to TJ took the higher level math (Algebra in 7 and Geometry in 8). I would imagine that this is true for other schools as well. IME, the students I thought would get in, got in regardless of being Honors or AAP.
No, my point was that not all of the students that get in from Longfellow are in AAP. I thought that the post to which I was replying implied that. My point is also that there are plenty of smart capable students that are not in AAP. AAP is not the end all and be all. It works well for some students. It works okay for others, and it doesn't work for a few others. Longfellow has a very high level of student achievement no matter how you slice it. It should, many (if not most) of the students have the advantages that children should get.
I am not sure why you are so defensive.
Anonymous
02/25/2013 13:02
Subject: Re:Longfellow, Carson, etc % admitted to TJ?
So your point is it's just coincidence that the kids that go to TJ happen to mostly come from the GT Center schools even though those kids are not in the GT Center at those schools? Baloney. If you're going to make outrageous statements, kindly back them up with facts and figures...
Anonymous wrote:
My experience at Longfellow is that a decent number of the Longfellow students are NOT in the AAP. However, all the ones I know who were not in AAP and were admitted to TJ took the higher level math (Algebra in 7 and Geometry in 8). I would imagine that this is true for other schools as well. IME, the students I thought would get in, got in regardless of being Honors or AAP.
Anonymous
02/25/2013 12:47
Subject: Re:Longfellow, Carson, etc % admitted to TJ?
Anonymous wrote:Rocky Run is 3rd in Middle Schools sending students to TJ. The highest percentage that go to TJ come from the GT Centers, by far. These numbers may be indicative of the total size of the GT classes in addition to their quality.
From http://mclean.patch.com/articles/which-middle-school-sends-the-most-students-to-tjhsst-df730f6c:
Middle School Students Accepted This Year +/- from last year Last Year
Carson 76 -2 78
Longfellow 72 -2 74
Rocky Run 51 +3 48
Kilmer 43 +12 31
Lake Braddock 23 +1 22
Jackson 20 +2 18
Frost 18 +2 16
Twain 10 + (n/a) under 10
My experience at Longfellow is that a decent number of the Longfellow students are NOT in the AAP. However, all the ones I know who were not in AAP and were admitted to TJ took the higher level math (Algebra in 7 and Geometry in 8). I would imagine that this is true for other schools as well. IME, the students I thought would get in, got in regardless of being Honors or AAP.
Anonymous
02/25/2013 09:52
Subject: Longfellow, Carson, etc % admitted to TJ?
Maybe this link will work:
http://mclean.patch.com/articles/which-middle-school-sends-the-most-students-to-tjhsst-df730f6c
http://mclean.patch.com/articles/which-middle-school-sends-the-most-students-to-tjhsst-df730f6c
Anonymous
02/25/2013 09:49
Subject: Re:Longfellow, Carson, etc % admitted to TJ?
Rocky Run is 3rd in Middle Schools sending students to TJ. The highest percentage that go to TJ come from the GT Centers, by far. These numbers may be indicative of the total size of the GT classes in addition to their quality.
From http://mclean.patch.com/articles/which-middle-school-sends-the-most-students-to-tjhsst-df730f6c:
Middle School Students Accepted This Year +/- from last year Last Year
Carson 76 -2 78
Longfellow 72 -2 74
Rocky Run 51 +3 48
Kilmer 43 +12 31
Lake Braddock 23 +1 22
Jackson 20 +2 18
Frost 18 +2 16
Twain 10 + (n/a) under 10
From http://mclean.patch.com/articles/which-middle-school-sends-the-most-students-to-tjhsst-df730f6c:
Middle School Students Accepted This Year +/- from last year Last Year
Carson 76 -2 78
Longfellow 72 -2 74
Rocky Run 51 +3 48
Kilmer 43 +12 31
Lake Braddock 23 +1 22
Jackson 20 +2 18
Frost 18 +2 16
Twain 10 + (n/a) under 10
Anonymous
02/23/2013 16:30
Subject: Re:Longfellow, Carson, etc % admitted to TJ?
Anonymous wrote:You have to piece those particular stats yourself. You can find enrollment figures for the Middle Schools by years. You can find the number admitted to TJ by school each year. It will take some googling.
Rachel Carson and Longfellow tend to have the most "well" prepared students and they tend to send the most students to TJ each year.
What about Rocky Run?
Anonymous
02/23/2013 10:50
Subject: Longfellow, Carson, etc % admitted to TJ?
FCAG has these statistics posted on their Yahoo group.
Anonymous
02/23/2013 06:27
Subject: Re:Longfellow, Carson, etc % admitted to TJ?
You have to piece those particular stats yourself. You can find enrollment figures for the Middle Schools by years. You can find the number admitted to TJ by school each year. It will take some googling.
Rachel Carson and Longfellow tend to have the most "well" prepared students and they tend to send the most students to TJ each year.
Rachel Carson and Longfellow tend to have the most "well" prepared students and they tend to send the most students to TJ each year.
Anonymous
02/23/2013 02:32
Subject: Longfellow, Carson, etc % admitted to TJ?
Wondering if this data is available somewhere broken down by %, e.g. Longfellow x% of 2011 Longfellow class accepted, etc.