Anonymous
12/11/2012 14:24
Subject: Re:While FCPS is talking about dumbing down AAP for Blacks/Latinos..
There should be no discrimination against equally or more qualified Asian or White kids.
Anonymous
12/11/2012 14:14
Subject: While FCPS is talking about dumbing down AAP for Blacks/Latinos..
Is mildly/ moderately gifted = to super average?
Anonymous
12/11/2012 14:12
Subject: Re:While FCPS is talking about dumbing down AAP for Blacks/Latinos..
Moderately gifted or above, IQ above 130(1:44) sounds about right.
Anonymous
12/11/2012 14:06
Subject: Re:While FCPS is talking about dumbing down AAP for Blacks/Latinos..
Anonymous wrote:So FCPS AAP is already very generous comparing to national average..
Dilute it more? It should actually contract.
Correct, it should be about 5 to 6% of the student pop & no more. Or they should just do away with it
Anonymous
12/11/2012 14:02
Subject: Re:While FCPS is talking about dumbing down AAP for Blacks/Latinos..
So FCPS AAP is already very generous comparing to national average..
Dilute it more? It should actually contract.
Dilute it more? It should actually contract.
Anonymous
12/11/2012 13:56
Subject: While FCPS is talking about dumbing down AAP for Blacks/Latinos..
Anonymous wrote:OP why are you so afraid that your kids will be hurt by admitting more kids to AAP. If your kids naturally smart, curious and driven, it won't matter whether s/he learns about Aristotle in 5th grade or 7th grade. Your child's ultimate trajectory in life is not going to be changed by a change in the FCPS curriculum adding more kids into AAP (probably at other schools). But just for the sake of argument, let's say another 5-10 kids (black and hispanic) are allowed into your kid's class and the lessons are *quite* as fast as they were last year in this same school.... SO WHAT!
I'm guessing by your interest in this issue and education in general, that your household has educated adults who are interested in the world and who give their children many opportunities to think about and learn about reading/math/science/politics/philosophy/etc. Assuming that your worst fears come to be, any "dilution" of the curriculum is NOT going to change your kids' ability to succeed in HS, college, grad school and beyond. It's just not. Do you realize that most of the great inventors did not have access to a GT/AAP type of education?
I know we all get protective and want the best for our kids and we all have hopes for their lives to be really happy and successful with no limitations, but the arguments I'm seeing for stopping the spread of AAP seem to be over-the-top and self centered.
Be confident -- your AAP kid is stellar --- he/she will still be stellar if other kids get access to AAP.
Why would anybody care about education?
No the question is why should we dilute the program in the first place if what you say was true.
Anonymous
12/11/2012 13:56
Subject: While FCPS is talking about dumbing down AAP for Blacks/Latinos..
Less than 7% have been in gifted programs according to this national data
http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/tables/dt10_049.asp
http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/tables/dt10_049.asp
Anonymous
12/11/2012 13:51
Subject: While FCPS is talking about dumbing down AAP for Blacks/Latinos..
OP why are you so afraid that your kids will be hurt by admitting more kids to AAP. If your kids naturally smart, curious and driven, it won't matter whether s/he learns about Aristotle in 5th grade or 7th grade. Your child's ultimate trajectory in life is not going to be changed by a change in the FCPS curriculum adding more kids into AAP (probably at other schools). But just for the sake of argument, let's say another 5-10 kids (black and hispanic) are allowed into your kid's class and the lessons are *quite* as fast as they were last year in this same school.... SO WHAT!
I'm guessing by your interest in this issue and education in general, that your household has educated adults who are interested in the world and who give their children many opportunities to think about and learn about reading/math/science/politics/philosophy/etc. Assuming that your worst fears come to be, any "dilution" of the curriculum is NOT going to change your kids' ability to succeed in HS, college, grad school and beyond. It's just not. Do you realize that most of the great inventors did not have access to a GT/AAP type of education?
I know we all get protective and want the best for our kids and we all have hopes for their lives to be really happy and successful with no limitations, but the arguments I'm seeing for stopping the spread of AAP seem to be over-the-top and self centered.
Be confident -- your AAP kid is stellar --- he/she will still be stellar if other kids get access to AAP.
I'm guessing by your interest in this issue and education in general, that your household has educated adults who are interested in the world and who give their children many opportunities to think about and learn about reading/math/science/politics/philosophy/etc. Assuming that your worst fears come to be, any "dilution" of the curriculum is NOT going to change your kids' ability to succeed in HS, college, grad school and beyond. It's just not. Do you realize that most of the great inventors did not have access to a GT/AAP type of education?
I know we all get protective and want the best for our kids and we all have hopes for their lives to be really happy and successful with no limitations, but the arguments I'm seeing for stopping the spread of AAP seem to be over-the-top and self centered.
Be confident -- your AAP kid is stellar --- he/she will still be stellar if other kids get access to AAP.
Anonymous
12/11/2012 13:47
Subject: While FCPS is talking about dumbing down AAP for Blacks/Latinos..
Anonymous wrote:That AAP is serving a large group of students is indictative of it being more about status than it ever was of actually being about being gifted or advanced.
It is statistically impossible that all the rich kids in Fairfax are gifted year in and year out. 20% of the student population is not actually gifted or even advanced. Sorry that some poor kids will get to join the crowd.
According to this, 20% is about OK for 'Mildly (or basically) Gifted' considering FCPS takes all Mildly (or basically) Gifted kids into AAP.
Now.. more than that would be no good.
http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/underserved.htm
(In the middle of the page Mildly (or basically) Gifted starts at 1:6)
Anonymous
12/11/2012 13:38
Subject: While FCPS is talking about dumbing down AAP for Blacks/Latinos..
That AAP is serving a large group of students is indictative of it being more about status than it ever was of actually being about being gifted or advanced.
It is statistically impossible that all the rich kids in Fairfax are gifted year in and year out. 20% of the student population is not actually gifted or even advanced. Sorry that some poor kids will get to join the crowd.
It is statistically impossible that all the rich kids in Fairfax are gifted year in and year out. 20% of the student population is not actually gifted or even advanced. Sorry that some poor kids will get to join the crowd.
Anonymous
12/11/2012 13:33
Subject: While FCPS is talking about dumbing down AAP for Blacks/Latinos..
Um, what's your point? AAP is now serving a large group of students. Admitting a few under-represented minorities who show promise into the clasee isn't going to hurt anyone. The AAP classes are really not that advanced. They work one grade level above. In my kid's general education class, many of the students work one grade above. I'm sure some of the minority students could handle it, even if they don't have the exact test scores to normally be admitted.
Large group, let's say 20%. Let's say increase it to 25% to admit them.
Why do you feel it's OK to reject equally or better qualified White or Asian kids?
"In my kid's general education class, many of the students work one grade above."
Yes it's called Level III AAP. What's your point?
Anonymous
12/11/2012 13:32
Subject: While FCPS is talking about dumbing down AAP for Blacks/Latinos..
Anonymous wrote:U.S. Schoolchildren Lag Asian Peers on Academic Tests
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-12-11/u-dot-s-dot-schoolchildren-lag-asian-peers-on-academic-tests
Math, science scores for some US students improving, but lag behind many in Asia, Europe
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/math-science-scores-for-some-us-students-improving-but-lag-behind-many-in-asia-europe/2012/12/11/ba32fb7e-4371-11e2-8c8f-fbebf7ccab4e_story.html
The U.S. must start learning from Asia
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/12/07/school.results.us.asia.desai/index.html?iref=allsearch
U.S. students continue to trail Asian students in math, reading, science
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/us-students-continue-to-trail-asian-students-in-math-reading-science/2012/12/10/4c95be68-40b9-11e2-ae43-cf491b837f7b_story.html
US 8th graders fail to score in global top 10 for math and science
http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/11/3753992/us-math-science-performance
Study: Asian countries outpace U.S. in science, math
http://www.ocregister.com/news/science-380278-students-math.html
International Tests Show East Asian Students Outperform World As U.S. Holds Steady
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/11/international-tests-show-_n_2273134.html
I hate straw man posts like this.
The U.S. has universal education. Deal with it.
Anonymous
12/11/2012 13:30
Subject: While FCPS is talking about dumbing down AAP for Blacks/Latinos..
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:U.S. Schoolchildren Lag Asian Peers on Academic Tests
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-12-11/u-dot-s-dot-schoolchildren-lag-asian-peers-on-academic-tests
Math, science scores for some US students improving, but lag behind many in Asia, Europe
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/math-science-scores-for-some-us-students-improving-but-lag-behind-many-in-asia-europe/2012/12/11/ba32fb7e-4371-11e2-8c8f-fbebf7ccab4e_story.html
The U.S. must start learning from Asia
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/12/07/school.results.us.asia.desai/index.html?iref=allsearch
U.S. students continue to trail Asian students in math, reading, science
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/us-students-continue-to-trail-asian-students-in-math-reading-science/2012/12/10/4c95be68-40b9-11e2-ae43-cf491b837f7b_story.html
US 8th graders fail to score in global top 10 for math and science
http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/11/3753992/us-math-science-performance
Study: Asian countries outpace U.S. in science, math
http://www.ocregister.com/news/science-380278-students-math.html
International Tests Show East Asian Students Outperform World As U.S. Holds Steady
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/11/international-tests-show-_n_2273134.html
Um, what's your point? AAP is now serving a large group of students. Admitting a few under-represented minorities who show promise into the clasee isn't going to hurt anyone. The AAP classes are really not that advanced. They work one grade level above. In my kid's general education class, many of the students work one grade above. I'm sure some of the minority students could handle it, even if they don't have the exact test scores to normally be admitted.
The point is that in the name of equity we shouldn't allow the FCPS or BofEduction lower the curricular standards - especially for the smart kids since these kids are easy to teach - so that the FCPS curriculum at least holds it's own with the one-grade-level up threshold. If the equity folks win out we start along the path of montgommery county and DCPS where the curriculum is set for the lowest common denominator so that "all segments" can score well and then the standards for the curriculum will be even more world-losing. That's basically what is happening in the suburb-next-door of montgommery county and we shouldn't let the groupthink affect our FCPS staff even if demographic changes in the counties nudge people into complacently taking this groupthink point of view.
Anonymous
12/11/2012 13:17
Subject: While FCPS is talking about dumbing down AAP for Blacks/Latinos..
Anonymous wrote:U.S. Schoolchildren Lag Asian Peers on Academic Tests
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-12-11/u-dot-s-dot-schoolchildren-lag-asian-peers-on-academic-tests
Math, science scores for some US students improving, but lag behind many in Asia, Europe
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/math-science-scores-for-some-us-students-improving-but-lag-behind-many-in-asia-europe/2012/12/11/ba32fb7e-4371-11e2-8c8f-fbebf7ccab4e_story.html
The U.S. must start learning from Asia
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/12/07/school.results.us.asia.desai/index.html?iref=allsearch
U.S. students continue to trail Asian students in math, reading, science
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/us-students-continue-to-trail-asian-students-in-math-reading-science/2012/12/10/4c95be68-40b9-11e2-ae43-cf491b837f7b_story.html
US 8th graders fail to score in global top 10 for math and science
http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/11/3753992/us-math-science-performance
Study: Asian countries outpace U.S. in science, math
http://www.ocregister.com/news/science-380278-students-math.html
International Tests Show East Asian Students Outperform World As U.S. Holds Steady
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/11/international-tests-show-_n_2273134.html
Um, what's your point? AAP is now serving a large group of students. Admitting a few under-represented minorities who show promise into the clasee isn't going to hurt anyone. The AAP classes are really not that advanced. They work one grade level above. In my kid's general education class, many of the students work one grade above. I'm sure some of the minority students could handle it, even if they don't have the exact test scores to normally be admitted.
Anonymous
12/11/2012 12:52
Subject: While FCPS is talking about dumbing down AAP for Blacks/Latinos..
U.S. Schoolchildren Lag Asian Peers on Academic Tests
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-12-11/u-dot-s-dot-schoolchildren-lag-asian-peers-on-academic-tests
Math, science scores for some US students improving, but lag behind many in Asia, Europe
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/math-science-scores-for-some-us-students-improving-but-lag-behind-many-in-asia-europe/2012/12/11/ba32fb7e-4371-11e2-8c8f-fbebf7ccab4e_story.html
The U.S. must start learning from Asia
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/12/07/school.results.us.asia.desai/index.html?iref=allsearch
U.S. students continue to trail Asian students in math, reading, science
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/us-students-continue-to-trail-asian-students-in-math-reading-science/2012/12/10/4c95be68-40b9-11e2-ae43-cf491b837f7b_story.html
US 8th graders fail to score in global top 10 for math and science
http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/11/3753992/us-math-science-performance
Study: Asian countries outpace U.S. in science, math
http://www.ocregister.com/news/science-380278-students-math.html
International Tests Show East Asian Students Outperform World As U.S. Holds Steady
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/11/international-tests-show-_n_2273134.html
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-12-11/u-dot-s-dot-schoolchildren-lag-asian-peers-on-academic-tests
Math, science scores for some US students improving, but lag behind many in Asia, Europe
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/math-science-scores-for-some-us-students-improving-but-lag-behind-many-in-asia-europe/2012/12/11/ba32fb7e-4371-11e2-8c8f-fbebf7ccab4e_story.html
The U.S. must start learning from Asia
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/12/07/school.results.us.asia.desai/index.html?iref=allsearch
U.S. students continue to trail Asian students in math, reading, science
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/us-students-continue-to-trail-asian-students-in-math-reading-science/2012/12/10/4c95be68-40b9-11e2-ae43-cf491b837f7b_story.html
US 8th graders fail to score in global top 10 for math and science
http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/11/3753992/us-math-science-performance
Study: Asian countries outpace U.S. in science, math
http://www.ocregister.com/news/science-380278-students-math.html
International Tests Show East Asian Students Outperform World As U.S. Holds Steady
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/11/international-tests-show-_n_2273134.html