Anonymous
10/07/2012 20:57
Subject: Re:I thought of DCUM when reading this Buckley quote
To the poster who said, "Thank you for reinforcing the point of OP," yes, I'd say it was almost a perfect example! 
Anonymous
10/07/2012 20:52
Subject: I thought of DCUM when reading this Buckley quote
Thank you for reinforcing the point of OP.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I rarely read George Will but loved his citation of Wm Buckley's: “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
It reminded me of all these faux "gee how can anyone support Romney" threads which turn into more bashing of conservatives.
This is a straw man argument, and a weak one at that.
To the degree that liberals are intolerant of conservative viewpoints, they are usually based on the inherent intolerance espoused in the views, or the policy that would otherwise restrict one's liberties.
Otherwise, most good liberals are perfectly open to hearing and considering viewpoints that may be different than their own. It's just when those other views essentially are intolerant in and of themselves that liberals stop listening.
That is not inconsistent. Not all viewpoints are valid.
i.e., You value your own "valid and intolerant" opinions above all! Thanks for the reminder!
No, and I'll thank you again for never again putting words in my mouth or deliberately twisting what I say.
Liberals are exceedingly tolerant. They welcome all views. UNTIL those views involve the infringement of others' rights.
For example, a liberal is willing to tolerate a discussion on voter rights. But the minute a conservative starts advocating voter ID laws as a thinly-disguised attempt to disenfranchise lots of voters, I'm no longer interested in what you have to say. It's not a valid opinion since voter fraud is not an actual problem.
The minute a conservative starts trying to restrict women's rights to make decisions about their own bodies, same thing. Your opinions are not valid.
Tolerance does not mean everything is equal and valid. I can hear you out, decide you're not worthy of my time (or citizenship in this country even) and tune you out and shout you down, and that is entirely consistent.
Democrats and liberals believe in personal freedom and equal opportunity. Conservatives tend to not.
Anonymous
10/07/2012 20:07
Subject: I thought of DCUM when reading this Buckley quote
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I rarely read George Will but loved his citation of Wm Buckley's: “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
It reminded me of all these faux "gee how can anyone support Romney" threads which turn into more bashing of conservatives.
This is a straw man argument, and a weak one at that.
To the degree that liberals are intolerant of conservative viewpoints, they are usually based on the inherent intolerance espoused in the views, or the policy that would otherwise restrict one's liberties.
Otherwise, most good liberals are perfectly open to hearing and considering viewpoints that may be different than their own. It's just when those other views essentially are intolerant in and of themselves that liberals stop listening.
That is not inconsistent. Not all viewpoints are valid.
i.e., You value your own "valid and intolerant" opinions above all! Thanks for the reminder!
No, and I'll thank you again for never again putting words in my mouth or deliberately twisting what I say.
Liberals are exceedingly tolerant. They welcome all views. UNTIL those views involve the infringement of others' rights.
For example, a liberal is willing to tolerate a discussion on voter rights. But the minute a conservative starts advocating voter ID laws as a thinly-disguised attempt to disenfranchise lots of voters, I'm no longer interested in what you have to say. It's not a valid opinion since voter fraud is not an actual problem.
The minute a conservative starts trying to restrict women's rights to make decisions about their own bodies, same thing. Your opinions are not valid.
Tolerance does not mean everything is equal and valid. I can hear you out, decide you're not worthy of my time (or citizenship in this country even) and tune you out and shout you down, and that is entirely consistent.
Democrats and liberals believe in personal freedom and equal opportunity. Conservatives tend to not.
Once again, your statements reveal your high opinion of your own beliefs and views, as well as your low regard for conservative opinions. That's fine because freedom of speech is one of our country's greatest freedoms, but you're not sounding like a person who's tolerant of views different than your own.
Anonymous
10/07/2012 19:21
Subject: I thought of DCUM when reading this Buckley quote
Anonymous wrote:When liberals and democrats start creeping into my bedroom to tell me what books to read, why I shouldn't have control over my own body and why people I've never met shouldn't be allowed to get married well, then I will get upset over their close-mindedness.
Republican: Black people are criminals and welfare dependents!
Democrats: You are an idiot!
Republican: Why don't you tolerate my intolerance?!!
Democrat:
Anonymous
10/07/2012 17:20
Subject: I thought of DCUM when reading this Buckley quote
When liberals and democrats start creeping into my bedroom to tell me what books to read, why I shouldn't have control over my own body and why people I've never met shouldn't be allowed to get married well, then I will get upset over their close-mindedness.
Anonymous
10/07/2012 17:16
Subject: I thought of DCUM when reading this Buckley quote
+100Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I rarely read George Will but loved his citation of Wm Buckley's: “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
It reminded me of all these faux "gee how can anyone support Romney" threads which turn into more bashing of conservatives.
This is a straw man argument, and a weak one at that.
To the degree that liberals are intolerant of conservative viewpoints, they are usually based on the inherent intolerance espoused in the views, or the policy that would otherwise restrict one's liberties.
Otherwise, most good liberals are perfectly open to hearing and considering viewpoints that may be different than their own. It's just when those other views essentially are intolerant in and of themselves that liberals stop listening.
That is not inconsistent. Not all viewpoints are valid.
i.e., You value your own "valid and intolerant" opinions above all! Thanks for the reminder!
No, and I'll thank you again for never again putting words in my mouth or deliberately twisting what I say.
Liberals are exceedingly tolerant. They welcome all views. UNTIL those views involve the infringement of others' rights.
For example, a liberal is willing to tolerate a discussion on voter rights. But the minute a conservative starts advocating voter ID laws as a thinly-disguised attempt to disenfranchise lots of voters, I'm no longer interested in what you have to say. It's not a valid opinion since voter fraud is not an actual problem.
The minute a conservative starts trying to restrict women's rights to make decisions about their own bodies, same thing. Your opinions are not valid.
Tolerance does not mean everything is equal and valid. I can hear you out, decide you're not worthy of my time (or citizenship in this country even) and tune you out and shout you down, and that is entirely consistent.
Democrats and liberals believe in personal freedom and equal opportunity. Conservatives tend to not.
Anonymous
10/07/2012 16:19
Subject: I thought of DCUM when reading this Buckley quote
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I rarely read George Will but loved his citation of Wm Buckley's: “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
It reminded me of all these faux "gee how can anyone support Romney" threads which turn into more bashing of conservatives.
This is a straw man argument, and a weak one at that.
To the degree that liberals are intolerant of conservative viewpoints, they are usually based on the inherent intolerance espoused in the views, or the policy that would otherwise restrict one's liberties.
Otherwise, most good liberals are perfectly open to hearing and considering viewpoints that may be different than their own. It's just when those other views essentially are intolerant in and of themselves that liberals stop listening.
That is not inconsistent. Not all viewpoints are valid.
i.e., You value your own "valid and intolerant" opinions above all! Thanks for the reminder!
No, and I'll thank you again for never again putting words in my mouth or deliberately twisting what I say.
Liberals are exceedingly tolerant. They welcome all views. UNTIL those views involve the infringement of others' rights.
For example, a liberal is willing to tolerate a discussion on voter rights. But the minute a conservative starts advocating voter ID laws as a thinly-disguised attempt to disenfranchise lots of voters, I'm no longer interested in what you have to say. It's not a valid opinion since voter fraud is not an actual problem.
The minute a conservative starts trying to restrict women's rights to make decisions about their own bodies, same thing. Your opinions are not valid.
Tolerance does not mean everything is equal and valid. I can hear you out, decide you're not worthy of my time (or citizenship in this country even) and tune you out and shout you down, and that is entirely consistent.
Democrats and liberals believe in personal freedom and equal opportunity. Conservatives tend to not.
Anonymous
10/07/2012 16:10
Subject: I thought of DCUM when reading this Buckley quote
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I rarely read George Will but loved his citation of Wm Buckley's: “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
It reminded me of all these faux "gee how can anyone support Romney" threads which turn into more bashing of conservatives.
Six months ago, it was conservatives who were asking the same question. Was it so long ago that you forgot how there were six front runners, and Romney couldn't break 30% of the vote?
Wow, you wholly missed the point. I have friends across the spectrum, and I find my liberal friends are just astonished by disagreements with their views and assume I'm either rich (read selfish,) uninformed, mean, or even racist.
I think you either need better friends or better opinions. Because if your own friends think you are racist, then one or the other of you has a big problem that has nothing to do with liberalism.
The more generous answer is that you are misrepresenting their reaction. But if not I suggest you take a good look at what you think and who you call a friend.
Anonymous
10/07/2012 13:44
Subject: I thought of DCUM when reading this Buckley quote
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I rarely read George Will but loved his citation of Wm Buckley's: “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
It reminded me of all these faux "gee how can anyone support Romney" threads which turn into more bashing of conservatives.
This is a straw man argument, and a weak one at that.
To the degree that liberals are intolerant of conservative viewpoints, they are usually based on the inherent intolerance espoused in the views, or the policy that would otherwise restrict one's liberties.
Otherwise, most good liberals are perfectly open to hearing and considering viewpoints that may be different than their own. It's just when those other views essentially are intolerant in and of themselves that liberals stop listening.
That is not inconsistent. Not all viewpoints are valid.
i.e., You value your own "valid and intolerant" opinions above all! Thanks for the reminder!
Anonymous
10/07/2012 13:18
Subject: I thought of DCUM when reading this Buckley quote
I don't recall Buckley or Will being too tolerant or humble or open to other opinions
Anonymous
10/07/2012 13:05
Subject: I thought of DCUM when reading this Buckley quote
You should get some more open-minded liberal friends. I find that there are closed minds at any point on the political spectrum. Having an open mind is more about your character than your political views.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I rarely read George Will but loved his citation of Wm Buckley's: “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
It reminded me of all these faux "gee how can anyone support Romney" threads which turn into more bashing of conservatives.
Six months ago, it was conservatives who were asking the same question. Was it so long ago that you forgot how there were six front runners, and Romney couldn't break 30% of the vote?
Wow, you wholly missed the point. I have friends across the spectrum, and I find my liberal friends are just astonished by disagreements with their views and assume I'm either rich (read selfish,) uninformed, mean, or even racist.
Anonymous
10/07/2012 13:01
Subject: I thought of DCUM when reading this Buckley quote
Anonymous wrote:I rarely read George Will but loved his citation of Wm Buckley's: “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
It reminded me of all these faux "gee how can anyone support Romney" threads which turn into more bashing of conservatives.
This is a straw man argument, and a weak one at that.
To the degree that liberals are intolerant of conservative viewpoints, they are usually based on the inherent intolerance espoused in the views, or the policy that would otherwise restrict one's liberties.
Otherwise, most good liberals are perfectly open to hearing and considering viewpoints that may be different than their own. It's just when those other views essentially are intolerant in and of themselves that liberals stop listening.
That is not inconsistent. Not all viewpoints are valid.
Anonymous
10/07/2012 12:55
Subject: I thought of DCUM when reading this Buckley quote
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I rarely read George Will but loved his citation of Wm Buckley's: “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
It reminded me of all these faux "gee how can anyone support Romney" threads which turn into more bashing of conservatives.
Six months ago, it was conservatives who were asking the same question. Was it so long ago that you forgot how there were six front runners, and Romney couldn't break 30% of the vote?
Wow, you wholly missed the point. I have friends across the spectrum, and I find my liberal friends are just astonished by disagreements with their views and assume I'm either rich (read selfish,) uninformed, mean, or even racist.
Anonymous
10/07/2012 00:48
Subject: I thought of DCUM when reading this Buckley quote
Anonymous wrote:I rarely read George Will but loved his citation of Wm Buckley's: “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
It reminded me of all these faux "gee how can anyone support Romney" threads which turn into more bashing of conservatives.
Six months ago, it was conservatives who were asking the same question. Was it so long ago that you forgot how there were six front runners, and Romney couldn't break 30% of the vote?
Anonymous
10/06/2012 23:24
Subject: I thought of DCUM when reading this Buckley quote
I rarely read George Will but loved his citation of Wm Buckley's: “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
It reminded me of all these faux "gee how can anyone support Romney" threads which turn into more bashing of conservatives.
It reminded me of all these faux "gee how can anyone support Romney" threads which turn into more bashing of conservatives.