Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, well, what about Ryan's lovely quip about the "method of conception (aka RAPE) doesn't change the definition of life." As if rape were simply a method of conception instead of a horrific crime.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-slansky-/paul-ryan-said-something-_b_1832377.html

Isn't that the correct position if you believe that life begins at conception? If that is what you believe, does it matter how conception occurs? That seems to me to be the most intellectually consistent position if you believe life begins at conception. What I don't understand is the idea that abortion is murder unless the father is a rapist or immediate relative.

It seems pretty clear to me that abortion is an issue that won't be resolved by compromise. In the short term, there will be winners and losers. In the longer term, advances in medical science -- birth control in particular -- will make it irrelevant.

It might be a consistent position, but referring to rape as a "method of conception" is just wrong and stupid plain and simple. And to attempt to vilify women who choose abortion in this case, or to make it illegal for them to have an abortion or access the morning after pill is draconian. Women who vote Republican are sending a signal to these men that they can legislate policies that force women to bear children against their will, and regulate their sex lives and reproductive choices in a way that men will NEVER experience. When these men introduce a bill that holds men accountable for their children born of rape, incest, out of wedlock, or abandoned as a result of divorce or any other choice that THEY make, perhaps their positions will be valid. Until then, they really need to get a clue. And I will continue to call them out for the raging mysognists that they are.

I hate to be in the position of defending Paul Ryan, especially with regard to an issue with which I disagree with him. But, for the sake of accuracy and fairness, I think it's important to point out that his words are being twisted a bit. The complete quote is "I've always adopted the idea, the position, that the method of conception doesn't change the definition of life." As I said above, if you believe life begins at conception, I'm not sure how you could have a different position. Earlier, you described this statement as saying "rape were simply a method of conception instead of a horrific crime" and I don't think that is what he is saying. I'm sure Ryan agrees that rape is a horrific crime.

The rest of your argument is very strong and completely in line with my own thoughts on the topic. In the same interview, Ryan described Romney's position which includes rape, incest, and health of the mother exceptions as a "step in the right direction." Make no mistake about it. Ryan and his supporters are committed to eliminating any right to an abortion. Anyone who believes there is room for compromise with them, is fooling himself.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, well, what about Ryan's lovely quip about the "method of conception (aka RAPE) doesn't change the definition of life." As if rape were simply a method of conception instead of a horrific crime.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-slansky-/paul-ryan-said-something-_b_1832377.html

Isn't that the correct position if you believe that life begins at conception? If that is what you believe, does it matter how conception occurs? That seems to me to be the most intellectually consistent position if you believe life begins at conception. What I don't understand is the idea that abortion is murder unless the father is a rapist or immediate relative.

It seems pretty clear to me that abortion is an issue that won't be resolved by compromise. In the short term, there will be winners and losers. In the longer term, advances in medical science -- birth control in particular -- will make it irrelevant.

It might be a consistent position, but referring to rape as a "method of conception" is just wrong and stupid plain and simple. And to attempt to vilify women who choose abortion in this case, or to make it illegal for them to have an abortion or access the morning after pill is draconian. Women who vote Republican are sending a signal to these men that they can legislate policies that force women to bear children against their will, and regulate their sex lives and reproductive choices in a way that men will NEVER experience. When these men introduce a bill that holds men accountable for their children born of rape, incest, out of wedlock, or abandoned as a result of divorce or any other choice that THEY make, perhaps their positions will be valid. Until then, they really need to get a clue. And I will continue to call them out for the raging mysognists that they are.

Anonymous wrote:And Obama's personal "team of scientists" invented the cap on the BP oil spill like 90 days into it or whatever (after he returned from his latest vacay of course).

And he personally saved the economy and ended the recession back in 2009 too.

And the last 4 years of economic woes (despite the recession ending 3 years ago) are all Bush's fault. still.

Your point is? We can go round, and round, and round. . .

Yes, it still is Bush's fault for deregulation. That was the catalyst for the recession and the economic ripple effect that lingers.

And Obama's personal "team of scientists" invented the cap on the BP oil spill like 90 days into it or whatever (after he returned from his latest vacay of course).

And he personally saved the economy and ended the recession back in 2009 too.

And the last 4 years of economic woes (despite the recession ending 3 years ago) are all Bush's fault. still.

Your point is? We can go round, and round, and round. . .

Anonymous wrote:I love that these people can't justify sending a woman to jail for an abortion, even though they are convinced it is murder. If it's a murder then shouldn't jail be mandatory?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk6t_tdOkwo

In our country we do not imprison people on a belief of their guilt. These posters are able to distinguish between an opinion on their part and evidence necessary to establish guilt under the law.

I love that these people can't justify sending a woman to jail for an abortion, even though they are convinced it is murder. If it's a murder then shouldn't jail be mandatory?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk6t_tdOkwo

Indiana state Rep. Eric Turner said, “Some women might fake being raped in order to get free abortions.”

Anonymous wrote:Yes, well, what about Ryan's lovely quip about the "method of conception (aka RAPE) doesn't change the definition of life." As if rape were simply a method of conception instead of a horrific crime.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-slansky-/paul-ryan-said-something-_b_1832377.html

Isn't that the correct position if you believe that life begins at conception? If that is what you believe, does it matter how conception occurs? That seems to me to be the most intellectually consistent position if you believe life begins at conception. What I don't understand is the idea that abortion is murder unless the father is a rapist or immediate relative.

It seems pretty clear to me that abortion is an issue that won't be resolved by compromise. In the short term, there will be winners and losers. In the longer term, advances in medical science -- birth control in particular -- will make it irrelevant.

Yes, well, what about Ryan's lovely quip about the "method of conception (aka RAPE) doesn't change the definition of life." As if rape were simply a method of conception instead of a horrific crime.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-slansky-/paul-ryan-said-something-_b_1832377.html

Akin and Smith in a recent photo op:

Casey in Pa must be Feeling much better about his holding on to his seat. Just another great strategic move by an Evangelical zealot.

Are these guys for real?
Romney's wife has got to deliver a speech on women's rights with these sex/rape obsessed Aiken types creating a headline a day in the background has her in a no win situation
With a Isaac about to pound New Orleans and idiots like this, the GOP would be better off packing up and going home.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/27/tom-smith-rape_n_1834234.html