Anonymous wrote:The Republicans had a real opportunity to make this election about the economy. They took that opportunity and ruined it with their political ADHD.

That was CNN, WAPO and MSNBC

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Anonymous wrote:The major problem between people like you and Pro-Life people is that it's not "women's reproductive rights". It's about protecting protecting preborn babies. They are living beings and just because they are not yet breathing our air doesn't give any person the right to kill them. It's as simple as that.

Your post, aside from being a pile of bullshit, is beside the point. This is not about Resolving the Abortion Debate. This is about the Republican Party making the election about abortion, and then deriding people who disagree with their stance on abortion for making the election about abortion. You want to be the party of Economy and Defense? Drop the social issues. You want to be the party of social issues? Own it.

Ok. I understand that you don't want the election to be about social issues, but about the economy. But calling my post a pile of bullshit? Nice and mature. I expected that though. You just don't have anything logical to say when it comes to abortion. You just say "it's the woman's right" and don't want to deal with the issue that it's really a life, a baby, a person.

12:31 here: I have plenty to say about abortion -- most of it is nice and logical, too! (The rest are "dead baby" jokes. Would you like to hear them?) It's just not relevant to this thread. What is relevant is that, if Republicans want to have an election that's not about abortion, they need to STFU about abortion. If they want to have an election about abortion (which they apparently do, since they can't seem to stop pursuing the subject), then they need to own it.

The Republicans had a real opportunity to make this election about the economy. They took that opportunity and ruined it with their political ADHD.

Anonymous wrote: You just say "it's the woman's right" and don't want to deal with the issue that it's really a life, a baby, a person.

It's not, though. Not until it can live independently. When it comes to choosing between the rights of the host and the rights of the entity relying on the host, the sentient host (the woman) gets to choose for both. To say otherwise is madness.

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Anonymous wrote:The major problem between people like you and Pro-Life people is that it's not "women's reproductive rights". It's about protecting protecting preborn babies. They are living beings and just because they are not yet breathing our air doesn't give any person the right to kill them. It's as simple as that.

Your post, aside from being a pile of bullshit, is beside the point. This is not about Resolving the Abortion Debate. This is about the Republican Party making the election about abortion, and then deriding people who disagree with their stance on abortion for making the election about abortion. You want to be the party of Economy and Defense? Drop the social issues. You want to be the party of social issues? Own it.

Ok. I understand that you don't want the election to be about social issues, but about the economy. But calling my post a pile of bullshit? Nice and mature. I expected that though. You just don't have anything logical to say when it comes to abortion. You just say "it's the woman's right" and don't want to deal with the issue that it's really a life, a baby, a person.

Actually she is not saying that SHE doesn't want the election to be about social issues. She is saying that IF Republicans don't want the election to be about social issues, they need to drop the social issues. See the difference?

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Anonymous wrote:The major problem between people like you and Pro-Life people is that it's not "women's reproductive rights". It's about protecting protecting preborn babies. They are living beings and just because they are not yet breathing our air doesn't give any person the right to kill them. It's as simple as that.

Your post, aside from being a pile of bullshit, is beside the point. This is not about Resolving the Abortion Debate. This is about the Republican Party making the election about abortion, and then deriding people who disagree with their stance on abortion for making the election about abortion. You want to be the party of Economy and Defense? Drop the social issues. You want to be the party of social issues? Own it.

Ok. I understand that you don't want the election to be about social issues, but about the economy. But calling my post a pile of bullshit? Nice and mature. I expected that though. You just don't have anything logical to say when it comes to abortion. You just say "it's the woman's right" and don't want to deal with the issue that it's really a life, a baby, a person.

Not the Op you are talking to.

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Anonymous wrote:The major problem between people like you and Pro-Life people is that it's not "women's reproductive rights". It's about protecting protecting preborn babies. They are living beings and just because they are not yet breathing our air doesn't give any person the right to kill them. It's as simple as that.

Your post, aside from being a pile of bullshit, is beside the point. This is not about Resolving the Abortion Debate. This is about the Republican Party making the election about abortion, and then deriding people who disagree with their stance on abortion for making the election about abortion. You want to be the party of Economy and Defense? Drop the social issues. You want to be the party of social issues? Own it.

Ok. I understand that you don't want the election to be about social issues, but about the economy. But calling my post a pile of bullshit? Nice and mature. I expected that though. You just don't have anything logical to say when it comes to abortion. You just say "it's the woman's right" and don't want to deal with the issue that it's really a life, a baby, a person.

Anonymous wrote:My word! Are you the same poster who keeps starting all these identical threads? Enough!

No I am not.

Anonymous wrote:The major problem between people like you and Pro-Life people is that it's not "women's reproductive rights". It's about protecting protecting preborn babies. They are living beings and just because they are not yet breathing our air doesn't give any person the right to kill them. It's as simple as that.

There are other threads here which have debated this point ad naseum. I am not going to get into it again.

And you are off point. The point is the Republicans complaining about the national conversation as if they are not responsible for it. As I said, if the Republicans want to stand up and say, "Yes! It is about the babies! We ARE anti choice and we don't care what Rachel Maddow says about it! We are going to pass every creative law we can think of to end abortion", I could respect their beliefs. What I do not respect is the attacks on the press for covering what Republicans are actually doing. Republicans are offensive when they dismiss this coverage as an attempt to distract the public from what really matters. To many of us, it does really matter and it's not a mere distraction. It's a fundamental reason to vote for one party, or the other.

My word! Are you the same poster who keeps starting all these identical threads? Enough!

Anonymous wrote:The major problem between people like you and Pro-Life people is that it's not "women's reproductive rights". It's about protecting protecting preborn babies. They are living beings and just because they are not yet breathing our air doesn't give any person the right to kill them. It's as simple as that.

Your post, aside from being a pile of bullshit, is beside the point. This is not about Resolving the Abortion Debate. This is about the Republican Party making the election about abortion, and then deriding people who disagree with their stance on abortion for making the election about abortion. You want to be the party of Economy and Defense? Drop the social issues. You want to be the party of social issues? Own it.

The major problem between people like you and Pro-Life people is that it's not "women's reproductive rights". It's about protecting protecting preborn babies. They are living beings and just because they are not yet breathing our air doesn't give any person the right to kill them. It's as simple as that.

Well said.

This is a year that the Republicans could have had my vote, if only I could believe that they wouldn't use it against me at the first opportunity. Control of my body is a big deal.

+1000

I resent being told that the women’s issues in the news are a mere “distraction” from What Really Matters (It’s The Economy, Stupid).

By all means, I invite, even encourage, all of our elected representatives to focus on the economy. But for some reason, many of them are NOT doing so. Far too many legislators are instead indulging in repugnant efforts to restrict and control women’s reproductive rights. From Arizona bills which sound as if they were written by the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, to Michigan bills penalizing women for having abortions by requiring funerals for fetal remains, to Virginia’s infamous attempt at vaginal wanding, there is a reason why this distraction has not disappeared from our national conversation. It is because Republicans simply will not stop their very frightening onslaught against women’s reproductive liberty.

If you don’t wish to be unfairly characterized as waging a “War on Women”, why are you still commenting on women’s reproduction? Why are you still introducing bills on this topic? Why did you bar female representative from the House floor in Michigan for using the word, “vagina” – a word which others in your party (usually male) unfortunately seem to feel perfectly entitled to bandy about? Why do you oppose the characterization of birth control as a medication like any other under health care plans?

If Republicans feel that eradicating abortion is the right thing to do, I can respect their feelings (even if I disagree with their methods). What I do not respect is a party which wages a war on women’s reproductive freedoms and then complains of being treated unfairly when the press reports on that fact. If your party is anti-abortion, anti-choice, anti-birth control (in sum, anti-woman), then you own that. Don’t dissemble. And don’t infuriate women by telling us that our concerns about your anti-choice platform are a mere “distraction”.

Republicans make much of personal freedom and the right to retain one’s own property. Far more important to me than the security of my property is the liberty of my person. I have a fundamental right to my own bodily sovereignty.

The recent comments on rape by Senate candidate Todd Akin are not a mere political sideshow. They are a very clear demonstration of the dangerous ignorance of many Republican candidates and lawmakers who have express a clear commitment to governing women’s sexuality and reproduction. Akin is relevant because far too many people within the Republican Party share his views on rape and abortion – see Paul Ryan (hardly a fringe element) and his co-sponsorship, with Akin, of the Sanctity of Human Life Act of 2009.

It is unprecedented that our sitting President has a very good chance of being reelected, despite an unemployment rate of over 8%. How can this possibly be? It is because are making it impossible for me, and others like me, to vote for you. It doesn’t matter how hard you hammer away at the President over the economy, or jobs, or anything else. I refuse to share authority over my body with the government. Doing so would make me little more than a slave. Ask a slave if they care about the economy, or jobs. They’d probably tell you there is only one thing they care about: Freedom.

Republican threats to female liberty must end if our nation is to focus its attention on “more important” issues. I invite the Republican Party to transform the national conversation by transforming itself.