Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who are "friends of Akin?" You can be staunch pro-life and think that Akin is a complete douche who should be out of the race.

I can't respond to your hypothetical because it is just hypothetical. To think there will be a perfect storm where all this happens at once is out of the realm of possibility.

Not the OP - but do you really think this is a "perfect storm" - a rare occurrence that only happens because of the confluence of unlikely circumstances?

Someone who is working poor, and has little or no job flexibility and no health insurance, gets pregnant and has complications - this is not "the perfect storm" or even an unlikely scenario.

Not the pp you quoted, but is it possible that she meant that abortion being illegal, no public health insurance at all, and all women's clinics closed by February 2013 is out of the realm of possiblity?

I say force the government to take money out of peoples bank accounts and pay you for your stupid choices then kill the baby. since you don't have the guts to knock on your neighbors door and ask for money since you know you make stupid decisions and it would be rediculous to ask them for money personally....make the govermnet do it for you since youa re stupid and have no character.

Anonymous wrote:I thought "pregnancy crisis centers" were mostly baby dealers.

I think the republicans would like to see us in a Margaret Atwood world, where poor women have no choice but to furnish wealthy folks with babies to adopt. When you cannot choose to terminate, and you cannot afford to raise a child, there's not much left, is there?

Well, you can always go to Mexico and have an abortion on the cheap.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with your question is that to provide a serious answer implies that I agree with your hypothesis that I am a friend of Akin. I think he is a complete and total ass. I am not his friend. I am not his supporter.

I am however pro-life.

Have you never seen a bumper sticker or billboard that says, "Pregnant, need help?" with a phone number.
http://www.lifecall.org/

There are many of us who are pro-life and donate to these resources so that women in the situations you describe have help available.
I repeat again...I am NOT a friend or suppoerter of Akin.

Help during the pregnancy, yes. But that is where the help ends and THAT is when most women in need actually NEED the help the most. I know you think these women can just go to soup kitchens to feed their babies, etc., but why should women be forced into destitution b/c of an unwanted pregnancy? B/c - the same staunchly pro-life people are the ones who want to cut entitlement programs...

Bingo.

This might be a bit off-topic, but I saw an obit in the Post the other day for this woman who was a 'pro-life crusader' and quit her job at the age of 48 to go fight for poor unborn babies. I laughed out loud when I read further - she was never married and had no children. I kept thinking, why didn't you go ahead and adopt if you were so pro-life?

Anonymous wrote:Who are "friends of Akin?" You can be staunch pro-life and think that Akin is a complete douche who should be out of the race.

I can't respond to your hypothetical because it is just hypothetical. To think there will be a perfect storm where all this happens at once is out of the realm of possibility.

Not the OP - but do you really think this is a "perfect storm" - a rare occurrence that only happens because of the confluence of unlikely circumstances?

Someone who is working poor, and has little or no job flexibility and no health insurance, gets pregnant and has complications - this is not "the perfect storm" or even an unlikely scenario.

Anonymous wrote:I thought "pregnancy crisis centers" were mostly baby dealers.

I think the republicans would like to see us in a Margaret Atwood world, where poor women have no choice but to furnish wealthy folks with babies to adopt. When you cannot choose to terminate, and you cannot afford to raise a child, there's not much left, is there?

Do you really think that people work and donate to crisis pregnancy centers not because they value the lives of the woman and the babies they are pregnant with, but because they hope to create a Handmaids Tale world of baby dealing? You have an extremely poor view of a large portion of the world.

I think you need to consider that even if you don't agree that the baby in utero is a human life, that many many people do honestly believe that. If you believed that millions of babies were being killed each year, what would you do? Might you try to help their mothers so that the mothers have all the resources possible to give birth to those babies? Might you help connect those mothers with resources to parent those babies, but if the mother decided she couldn't parent that baby might you connect her with adoption resources.

What would you expect a caring person to do if they belief that a baby in utero is a human being?

Anonymous wrote:I thought "pregnancy crisis centers" were mostly baby dealers.

I think the republicans would like to see us in a Margaret Atwood world, where poor women have no choice but to furnish wealthy folks with babies to adopt. When you cannot choose to terminate, and you cannot afford to raise a child, there's not much left, is there?

Bingo.

OP, if you want a real answer, you need to add some details.

I am black.
I am a drug addict.
The baby will have any imperfection of any kind.

Guaranteed the answer will change. Because in your scenario, the mommie is aborting a beautiful, healthy, white, adoptable infant.

I thought "pregnancy crisis centers" were mostly baby dealers.

I think the republicans would like to see us in a Margaret Atwood world, where poor women have no choice but to furnish wealthy folks with babies to adopt. When you cannot choose to terminate, and you cannot afford to raise a child, there's not much left, is there?

Anonymous wrote:Interesting how you avoid the question because of the semantics. That's like not answering a question because there's a typo in the text. It bespeaks a small mind.

I disagree that the perfect storm is impossible. I own a small business and employ about 15 people who fit the description quite closely-- they are mostly one paycheck away from being homeless. I think many people are unaware of the true plight of the working poor.

Nice.

This is why people don't want to engage with you.

Anonymous wrote:The problem with your question is that to provide a serious answer implies that I agree with your hypothesis that I am a friend of Akin. I think he is a complete and total ass. I am not his friend. I am not his supporter.

I am however pro-life.

Have you never seen a bumper sticker or billboard that says, "Pregnant, need help?" with a phone number.
http://www.lifecall.org/

There are many of us who are pro-life and donate to these resources so that women in the situations you describe have help available.
I repeat again...I am NOT a friend or suppoerter of Akin.

Help during the pregnancy, yes. But that is where the help ends and THAT is when most women in need actually NEED the help the most. I know you think these women can just go to soup kitchens to feed their babies, etc., but why should women be forced into destitution b/c of an unwanted pregnancy? B/c - the same staunchly pro-life people are the ones who want to cut entitlement programs...

So first of all, I am staunchly pro-choice. I donate money to Planned Parenthood and I think birth control should be widely available for everyone.

I used to roll my eyes at those crisis pregnancy centers as sketchy pro-life, Christian-right vehicles. But I get it now- pro choice means that women who don't want to abort should feel like they have to because they do not have the resources to carry through the pregnancy.

PP, I think many more of us are "pro-choice" than realize it: You donate to crisis pregnancy centers because you want women to be able to choose to carry the pregnancy to term with proper medical, financial, and emotional support. It's still a choice though.

The problem with your question is that to provide a serious answer implies that I agree with your hypothesis that I am a friend of Akin. I think he is a complete and total ass. I am not his friend. I am not his supporter.

I am however pro-life.

Have you never seen a bumper sticker or billboard that says, "Pregnant, need help?" with a phone number.
http://www.lifecall.org/

There are many of us who are pro-life and donate to these resources so that women in the situations you describe have help available.

I repeat again...I am NOT a friend or suppoerter of Akin.

Interesting how you avoid the question because of the semantics. That's like not answering a question because there's a typo in the text. It bespeaks a small mind.

I disagree that the perfect storm is impossible. I own a small business and employ about 15 people who fit the description quite closely-- they are mostly one paycheck away from being homeless. I think many people are unaware of the true plight of the working poor.

Who are "friends of Akin?" You can be staunch pro-life and think that Akin is a complete douche who should be out of the race.

I can't respond to your hypothetical because it is just hypothetical. To think there will be a perfect storm where all this happens at once is out of the realm of possibility.

An honest question. I am not responsible for snark that will inevitably follow, but I want to hear from some staunch anti-abortion posters on the following scenario:

It's February 2013, and I am unintentionally pregnant, with no desire to be a parent. It doesn't really matter how I got pregnant; maybe I'm promiscuous, maybe I'm married and in the 1% of birth control failures, maybe I was violently raped.

I am poor, but holding it together. I have no education, no health insurance, no paid leave of any kind. When I work my full schedule, I can pay all my bills. There is nothing left over. My work hours are not flexible.

I have complications with my pregnancy. Maybe it's hyperemesis. Maybe it's one of many conditions requiring bedrest.

I cannot have an abortion. Those are illegal now. There is no publicly funded health care, and the women's clinics that might have cared for me last year have either been defunded, or are so totally overwhelmed that their earliest appointment is four months from now. My employer is not required or motivated to offer any kind of paid leave or short term disability. I have no family and no assets.

Thank you for your suggestions.