jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:
Can you point out an example of Obama demonizing business and business people?

Pretty sure OP's referencing "You didn't build that."

But that was my first thought, too. I think Obama's scorn is really reserved for the idle rich and undertaxed.

I agree with you about where Obama's scorn is directed. But, if the OP is truly referencing "You didn't build that", the OP is quite mistaken. That is more of an example of scorn for accurate reporting and advertising. Of course, businessmen didn't build the roads and other public infrastructure that serve their businesses.

With all due respect, I think you are spinning things. I don't see how you can reach this conclusion when viewing the video. And further, well yes, businessmen did build the roads and other public infrastructure that serve their business in the sense that commerce is what leads to taxes that pays for that stuff. People taking raw materials and performing some kind of work that enhances value...that is what leads to commerce and to taxes. So I disagree on both your points.

To some other posters that have wondered, Obama never misses and opportunity to demonize business. This has been done with banks and with BP, for example. He is always looking for "whos neck to step on". I know what you are going to say...the banks caused the mess. Well did you see Barney Frank and Maxine Waters shout down Repbulicans in committee when they asked about Fannie and Freddie about 10 years ago? Are you familiar with Contrywide and Friends of Angelo and the influence pedling that was happening there? Exactly whose consituents were likely to get the NINJA loans anyway? With the banking mess, I would say we got just what we deserved and asked for.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/business/ben-heineman-railroad-executive-and-johnson-adviser-dies-at-98.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Obama could learn a thing or 2 from this guy's life. Not to demonize business and business people and try and create class warfare.

I miss business people who felt an obligation to give back to the communities and didn't harp that the the lowest taxes in 50 years were a burden.

not a romney supporter but if your comment is aimed at him, its a bit unfair.

considering that romney does give a significant amount to charity, i think he does see it as an obligation to give back. some may even say him wanting to be president is the same thing.

cant argue with the second part of your statement though

Actually, he gives most of his charitable donations to the LDS church, which uses their funds for charitable causes, but also a lot of political causes ( 50 million for Prop 8) as well.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/business/ben-heineman-railroad-executive-and-johnson-adviser-dies-at-98.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Obama could learn a thing or 2 from this guy's life. Not to demonize business and business people and try and create class warfare.

Can you point out an example of Obama demonizing business and business people?

I have asked many conservatives the same question, and I never get any specifics. I am not a big Obama fan, but I don't see any actual anti-business policies. I think the fact that he has no CEO's in his cabinet, and his rhetoric ( but not his actions) are anti-Wall street hurts the tender feelings of our hard-boiled capitalists. I would be happy to admit that I am wrong, and I will as soon as somebody actually gives me specific anti-business policies that Obama has enacted. I am waiting...

Anonymous wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/business/ben-heineman-railroad-executive-and-johnson-adviser-dies-at-98.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Obama could learn a thing or 2 from this guy's life. Not to demonize business and business people and try and create class warfare.

I love someone who holds up a person they never heard of as a supporter of their side.

I don't think you know squat about this man except that you like the idea of a pipe smoking railroad turnaround exec. In fact he helped create the Uniform Commercial Code, probably one of the longest pieces of federal regulation of its day. He worked in the Office of Price Administration (yup, where the government dictated prices of goods!), he was on a White House Commission on Civil Rights, a President's Commission on Income Maintenance Program (yup, welfare!) His wife was a big advocate for welfare services. And his legacy is carried on by his son, Ben Jr, who wrote in the Atlantic, "Only Government Intervention Can Stop Corrupt Capitalism" http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/07/only-government-intervention-can-stop-corrupt-capitalism/259687/ and a book "High Performance with High Integrity".

So if you are saying you wish miss open minded business people who could think about the good of the nation instead of their pure personal interest, I have to agree. And if we had more of these guys, we wouldn't be talking about "class warfare" because there would be no war. We would have captains of industry working to solve the nation's problems, hand in hand with government. Like the old days.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/business/ben-heineman-railroad-executive-and-johnson-adviser-dies-at-98.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Obama could learn a thing or 2 from this guy's life. Not to demonize business and business people and try and create class warfare.

I miss business people who felt an obligation to give back to the communities and didn't harp that the the lowest taxes in 50 years were a burden.

not a romney supporter but if your comment is aimed at him, its a bit unfair.

considering that romney does give a significant amount to charity, i think he does see it as an obligation to give back. some may even say him wanting to be president is the same thing.

cant argue with the second part of your statement though

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/business/ben-heineman-railroad-executive-and-johnson-adviser-dies-at-98.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Obama could learn a thing or 2 from this guy's life. Not to demonize business and business people and try and create class warfare.

Back then business people knew how to sacrifice for their country. This generation of business people has lost that.

nobody is greedier or lazier than goverment unions. as a private business owner my income has dropped 60% in the last 4 years I do more for less these days. The government needs to do more with less like any business can and does. Government Unions are full of weak, lazy people that cannot adapt to hard times.

Anonymous wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/business/ben-heineman-railroad-executive-and-johnson-adviser-dies-at-98.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Obama could learn a thing or 2 from this guy's life. Not to demonize business and business people and try and create class warfare.

Back then business people knew how to sacrifice for their country. This generation of business people has lost that.

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone done a statistical study of higher income taxpayers as to how many of them feel that a 40% MARGINAL tax rate would be overly burdensome? I'd particularly like to see it broken down among different types, such as producers, retailers, service, and financial.

Why did you put "marginal" in all caps?

Because if you're really REALLY high income (i.e., you earn $100 million a year), your ETR is awful close to your MARGINAL rate. Unless you've got capital gains (or carried interest that has the character of capital gains). Or income from tax-exempt bonds.

Has anyone done a statistical study of higher income taxpayers as to how many of them feel that a 40% MARGINAL tax rate would be overly burdensome? I'd particularly like to see it broken down among different types, such as producers, retailers, service, and financial.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:
Can you point out an example of Obama demonizing business and business people?

Pretty sure OP's referencing "You didn't build that."

But that was my first thought, too. I think Obama's scorn is really reserved for the idle rich and undertaxed.

I agree with you about where Obama's scorn is directed. But, if the OP is truly referencing "You didn't build that", the OP is quite mistaken. That is more of an example of scorn for accurate reporting and advertising. Of course, businessmen didn't build the roads and other public infrastructure that serve their businesses.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/business/ben-heineman-railroad-executive-and-johnson-adviser-dies-at-98.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Obama could learn a thing or 2 from this guy's life. Not to demonize business and business people and try and create class warfare.

Can you point out an example of Obama demonizing business and business people?

Pretty sure OP's referencing "You didn't build that."

But that was my first thought, too. I think Obama's scorn is really reserved for the idle rich and undertaxed.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/business/ben-heineman-railroad-executive-and-johnson-adviser-dies-at-98.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Obama could learn a thing or 2 from this guy's life. Not to demonize business and business people and try and create class warfare.

I miss business people who felt an obligation to give back to the communities and didn't harp that the the lowest taxes in 50 years were a burden.

Booyah!

Anonymous wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/business/ben-heineman-railroad-executive-and-johnson-adviser-dies-at-98.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Obama could learn a thing or 2 from this guy's life. Not to demonize business and business people and try and create class warfare.

Can you point out an example of Obama demonizing business and business people?

Anonymous wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/business/ben-heineman-railroad-executive-and-johnson-adviser-dies-at-98.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Obama could learn a thing or 2 from this guy's life. Not to demonize business and business people and try and create class warfare.

I miss business people who felt an obligation to give back to the communities and didn't harp that the the lowest taxes in 50 years were a burden.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/business/ben-heineman-railroad-executive-and-johnson-adviser-dies-at-98.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Obama could learn a thing or 2 from this guy's life. Not to demonize business and business people and try and create class warfare.