Anonymous wrote:This is a very racist post!

This is racist?

citing sources related to a new school discipline policy?

Might borderline cases for white kids .... Possibly get suspensions now instead of warnings to make the numbers work?

Just wondering.

Anonymous wrote:"it means that those sweet oriental kids are going to have to be suspended and expelled from schools at a rate that is equal to the rate that blacks are suspended, expelled, and otherwise punished regardless of what the reality is in the school system."

Just for your information - people aren't oriental. Rugs are oriental. People are Asian.

The word ‘Oriental’ is not offensive. It is used all over the Far East and to me has always conjured up postive connotations. It is a wonderful word and it would be a shame to lose it from the language.

Asia has many races and sub-races who are distinct from each other! Arabs, Persians, Caucasians, Turks, South Asians (Indians & Pakistanis & Indonesians), Malay (who are more similar to Polynesians or Australian Aboriginals), and ORIENTALS aka far-East-Asians who are racially “different” than the above mentioned Asian groups. Asian is too broad since the Asian Continent is so huge and has so many races as discussed above.

A group somewhere decided to declare it as offensive for reasons best known to themselves; perhaps it gives them (ie. you) a false sense of superiority.

Now - back to the subject at hand.

Anonymous wrote:PP again. Yes, I am a teacher. And when the same mandate rolled out in our school district (in VA) the result in elementary schools was a large rise in in school "detention" that was not identified officially as a suspension.

Was it really the same exact mandate? I'm all for maintain learning continuity, even among the troublemakers. We all deserve an opportunity for education and chance to better ourselves.

What is patently offensive is the component of the report and policy that will within the next 1-3 years enforce a race-based system on School Administrators for dolling out punishments. MLK Jr. would be spinning in his grave at the thought.

"it means that those sweet oriental kids are going to have to be suspended and expelled from schools at a rate that is equal to the rate that blacks are suspended, expelled, and otherwise punished regardless of what the reality is in the school system."

Just for your information - people aren't oriental. Rugs are oriental. People are Asian.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'm all for ensuring suspended kids (black, white, asian, whatever) receive access to learning opportunities while on suspension (that's actually a very good idea, perhaps long overdue), but how absolutely ignorant are Obama, O'Malley, and the Maryland State Board of Education to inject a racial quota into our school's disciplinary process? It's time for new leadership, if not for the country, then for Maryland. I'm fed up.

I was interested in this topic, but you lost me at this quote above. So this new possible policy is a result of Obama's ignorance?

Well, the OP did reference an article that shows the policy is being pushed from the top down by the President. That the Maryland State Board of Education is the first system to put that vision into a policy that will affect our children and/or their peers in their environment is nothing less than an extension of that vision. Connect the dots. Just because a politician is your man (or woman), doesn't mean you have to agree with everything he/she says and does.

Think for yourself.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a very racist post!

ITA, and I'm white.

No - what's racist is the new policy (race-based punishment quotas), and that's why the OP is posting it. Sorry - your race card is overdrawn on this one, and the public is tired.

PP again. Yes, I am a teacher. And when the same mandate rolled out in our school district (in VA) the result in elementary schools was a large rise in in school "detention" that was not identified officially as a suspension.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Relax.

What will happen is schools will start instituting "in school suspension" only not calling it "suspension" so they don't have to report it. In school detention, maybe. Instead of sending kids home for 3 days, they will send them to the suspension room. Schools will have to cough up the money to have someone supervise the kids and it will inconvenience parents less (won't have to take time off from work) so the practice probably won't reduce misbehavior much. But it will allow the schools to state correctly that they are suspending fewer kids of all groups.

I seriously doubt any school will return to ISS.

Are you an educator, btw? If so, I'm surprised that you'd take this route considering there are budgetary constraints. Babysitting kids in one room who can't behave is a recipe for disaster.

I don't think it is the best route but it the route schools will take. Long term it would be cheaper than actually figuring out ways to prevent the students from having problems to begin with.

I don't think high schools will use this approach but I do think elementary schools will.

Anonymous wrote:

I'm all for ensuring suspended kids (black, white, asian, whatever) receive access to learning opportunities while on suspension (that's actually a very good idea, perhaps long overdue), but how absolutely ignorant are Obama, O'Malley, and the Maryland State Board of Education to inject a racial quota into our school's disciplinary process? It's time for new leadership, if not for the country, then for Maryland. I'm fed up.

I was interested in this topic, but you lost me at this quote above. So this new possible policy is a result of Obama's ignorance?

Anonymous wrote:This is a very racist post!

ITA, and I'm white.

Anonymous wrote:Relax.

What will happen is schools will start instituting "in school suspension" only not calling it "suspension" so they don't have to report it. In school detention, maybe. Instead of sending kids home for 3 days, they will send them to the suspension room. Schools will have to cough up the money to have someone supervise the kids and it will inconvenience parents less (won't have to take time off from work) so the practice probably won't reduce misbehavior much. But it will allow the schools to state correctly that they are suspending fewer kids of all groups.

I seriously doubt any school will return to ISS.

Are you an educator, btw? If so, I'm surprised that you'd take this route considering there are budgetary constraints. Babysitting kids in one room who can't behave is a recipe for disaster.

This is a very racist post!

Relax.

What will happen is schools will start instituting "in school suspension" only not calling it "suspension" so they don't have to report it. In school detention, maybe. Instead of sending kids home for 3 days, they will send them to the suspension room. Schools will have to cough up the money to have someone supervise the kids and it will inconvenience parents less (won't have to take time off from work) so the practice probably won't reduce misbehavior much. But it will allow the schools to state correctly that they are suspending fewer kids of all groups.

Has anyone here read or heard about this activity in our state school system:

Race-based school discipline policies
http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/27/obama-backs-race-based-school-discipline-policies/#ixzz21rpuR5R1

The article directly references the Maryland State Board of Education, and their July 24 meeting. Here's the agenda for that meeting:

http://www.marylandpublicschools.org/MSDE/pressrelease_details/2012_07_19.htm
Sure enough, check out 11:15 AM
11:15 a.m. Student Discipline
The State Board is scheduled to act on draft regulations based on its report, "A Safe School, Successful Students, and a Fair and Equitable Disciplinary Process Go Hand in Hand," as well as a revised version of the report. The public will have the opportunity to comment on the draft regulations before they are made final.


This is the article referenced in that 11:15 AM session:

A Study of School Discipline Practices and Proposed Regulatory Changes
http://msde.state.md.us/School_Discipline_Report02272012.pdf


While that report has a couple of good ideas such as providing learning continuity for children that are suspended for extended time periods, the idea that schools systems will now be pressured and forced to racially discriminate against children when dolling out punishments is incomprehensible. In other words school administrators will now be held accountable for ensuring that oriental, east easian, white, black, jewish, arab, and latino students are punished (suspended, expelled, etc) in a manner that is consistent with the school systems demographic percentages. For those that need help understanding what that means, it means that those sweet oriental kids are going to have to be suspended and expelled from schools at a rate that is equal to the rate that blacks are suspended, expelled, and otherwise punished regardless of what the reality is in the school system. So what does that mean? Are they going to start trumping up charges for the oriental kids, suspending them for actions that do no warrant suspension, or are they going to start letting the black kids slide by even more without being punished.

I'm all for ensuring suspended kids (black, white, asian, whatever) receive access to learning opportunities while on suspension (that's actually a very good idea, perhaps long overdue), but how absolutely ignorant are Obama, O'Malley, and the Maryland State Board of Education to inject a racial quota into our school's disciplinary process? It's time for new leadership, if not for the country, then for Maryland. I'm fed up.