Anonymous wrote:You can't have a welfare state and open borders. We are broke. The brick wall is coming in the next 12 months and it will be ugly. That said.. Hispanics are excellent consevative citizens. Catholic,,, hard working, family centric . They will become republican as soon as they settle in. They don't like lazy people and want to keep all their money that they earn to advance their children. We need to speed and concentrate on increasing immigration for people who get in line. Cheaters need to start over and get in line. People who are illegal and show up at the hospital or school should be deported.

Dream on. Only the oddballs will join a party that hates them. You'll get the Cubans because why? Oh yeah, if THEY swim to shore, they get to stay. But nobody else.

Anonymous wrote:We dont need educated illegals we need the ones to do the blue collar manual labor for reasonable prices.

Completely untrue. We don't graduate enough engineers to fill the jobs in high tech. And look at the immigrants who start our tech companies. It's insanity, our kids think they are too good for engineering school. And until they wise up, we need to import talent or the companies will not be American companies anymore.

Anonymous wrote:We dont need educated illegals we need the ones to do the blue collar manual labor for reasonable prices.

What do you think they are doing? They do the jobs that many Americans think are "beneath" them.

We dont need educated illegals we need the ones to do the blue collar manual labor for reasonable prices.

Hispanics are excellent consevative citizens. Catholic,,, hard working, family centric . They will become republican as soon as they settle in.

I hope you haven't been holding your breath waiting for the Irish Catholics to "become republican."

After they recieve care that is.

You can't have a welfare state and open borders. We are broke. The brick wall is coming in the next 12 months and it will be ugly. That said.. Hispanics are excellent consevative citizens. Catholic,,, hard working, family centric . They will become republican as soon as they settle in. They don't like lazy people and want to keep all their money that they earn to advance their children. We need to speed and concentrate on increasing immigration for people who get in line. Cheaters need to start over and get in line. People who are illegal and show up at the hospital or school should be deported.

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Young educated people have a cash positive impact Norte economy. Uneducated adults are a cash drain on the economy. That part is not about fairness. It is in our interest.

Could we kick them out? Maybe but another truth about our economy is that it has always grown through immigrants. No one wants to say it politically but these people work harder thanmuch of the dead weight. Take Alabama. They couldn't convince their unemployed masses to take the jobs left behind by the Latinos who fled after the illegal immigrant crackdown.

OP, why do you care? (No, I don't mean to be snarky.) It is unfair that your family had to work so hard to come here, but the pp is also correct, it's not like the undocumented experience is some trip to Disneyland. They pay their dues too, in a different way.

But, the bigger issue is that lots of things in life are unfair. Why are you so bent about this one thing? It's unfair that the sons and daughters of the rich get into prestigious colleges based on nothing more than a name while I had to earn my way. It's unfair that I got dumped into foster care and basically had to raise myself (that system should be arrested!). Seriously, so what? Does it bother you as much as the illegals do that rich people have an unfair advantage over you? And does it bother you, coming from an intact family who clearly loved you, that you had some unfair advantages over me?

Look, all of us are just trying to do the best we can with the cards we were dealt. And there's a long history in the US of people playing fast and loose with the rules to gain advantage. Look at any the history of any US industry and you'll see people who broke rules to make things happen. No, a society can't survive if it tolerates too much of that, but as a country we've gained a lot from this pioneering and wild west attitude and I think we ought to think very carefully before we trash anyone who is tough enough and driven enough to crawl out of the dust and make something of themselves, even when they break a few rules to do it.

Yes, it's good that schools are educating these children. Would you prefer they be dependent on welfare?

OP, I understand that it's frustrating that your family followed all the rules and now people who didn't will benefit nevertheless. That's not fair.

But I see this as an overall benefit to our society. We need to have these young people meaningfully integrated into our society. From a selfish perspective, there is no benefit to me if they are standing outside of Home Depot trying to get day laborer work. The US is fortunate that we have a younger population. For example, Japan, which has traditionally been hostile to immigrants, is facing a demographic crisis down the road because it is an aging society with fewer young people to work and pay taxes. We need these young people to succeed and thrive. It's good for us.

And in a way, young people who have worked hard have paid their dues. Not the way your family did. I understand your feelings about that. But it's still not as if someone handed them a free ride to a trouble free life. They have to work as hard as the rest of us do to make it.

With no disrespect to OP, and certainly none to the parents who put so much effort into coming here legally, I have some thoughts.

First, at least some of those who come illegally had no choice, because of the laws of their own countries, perhaps, and may have suffered difficulties and dangers of their own.

Second, it was not the kids' choice, so they should not be punished for what their parents did (or given too much credit if their parents followed the rules.

As to the "friend" who bragged about the school, I guess she figured the school's business is education, so she's proud that it educates all who come along.

OMG you JUST found out about this? What rock have you been living under and was it very cozy there?

So, I am looking around facebook, I see myself as a more 'modern' mom, and I have a facebook. I have some other parents on it, I use it mostly to catch up with people who I am friends with, but don't get to talk to much in RL. Mostly these are parents of my son's or daughter's friends who over the years I have gotten to know and befriended. Now, My daughter just graduated from high school, and on several of my facebook's friend's walls they had made posts about how proud they were of their kids, yadda yadda, normal stuff. One though stood out to me. It was from a parent of someone who used to be friends with my daughter, but they went to a difforent school, and grew apart. Now, their school was graduating it's first class of seniors (it is a charter), and in this women's post, along with the normal stuff, she wrote that "I'm so proud of the school, they educated all of these young men and women, several of whom were the first in their family to get a high school diploma, A number of whom are undocumented, and all of whom have such great potential."

I would point out one of those things: "A number of them are undocumented". So now it's a good thing that the school is graduating students who ILLEGALLY entered the country? Really? Also, if it is so clear the parents know that some of the students are illegal, shouldn't it be clear enough that the administration would know? And if the parents had known, shouldn't they have reported them?

I say this as someone whose parents entered the country legally, waiting until they could, and proved themselves. My parents had to go through a lot of shit to enter the country, and had to wait a long time, before they got their chance. It is disrespectful to those people that actually put in the effort to legally enter the country that schools turn a blind eye on stuff like this. If you don't think they do, let me tell you... My Son is currently 16. When he was in third grade, a little girl in his class came in with a story for sharing. She told how her and her mom illegally snuck across the US border, with many details. Now this wasn't just to a few kids, this was in front of two teachers. She stayed in school, and in the country, until we left the school after 5th grade. Afterwards, my son came home all excited about how he and "A" (this girl) both had family members who came to this country, and I had to explain how it was different and "A" had taken advantage of a faulty system and was in a lot of trouble.

It's gotten to the point where someone is "proud" that the school her son was just graduating from harbored illegal aliens. It's depressing, and ridicules how bad it's become.