Anonymous wrote:So are you atheist or agnostic? Or just a flip flopper?

I'm not the PP you are asking, but I'm both. Whether I like it or not, I fully believe there is no sentient being who listens to our prayers and watches over our daily activities, and that makes me an atheist. However, I can't prove the non-existence of God any more than anyone can prove existence, so I'm also an agnostic. There are thoughtful people of faith who agree with me about the lack of proof, and we can accept our difference as one that does not prevent us from respecting each other.

On the other hand, there are dogmatic people on both sides who feel they have to convince others of what they cannot prove. I wish they would open their minds to tolerance.

Anonymous wrote:So are you atheist or agnostic? Or just a flip flopper?

Atheist my whole life, however, as many atheists will tell you, it is never PC to say that. I learned early on to say agnostic, even though it has a different meaning, it keeps me out of trouble...did you not know? we have no real religious freedom in this country. Remember "one nation, UNDER GOD"

This is the "if we can't have it all to ourselves, no one can have it at all " argument, which is usually esposed by the ultrareligious.

It's a lot of wrangling over one little word.

So are you atheist or agnostic? Or just a flip flopper?

I am a 48 yr old female and anti marriage because I am an agnostic who is anti Church and State mixing. I wanted a civil union with my husband, but we are married. Why does government get into marriage and why does government think that they can re-deifine marriage as it is written in the Bible. I am such an atheist that I believe that this IS the issue that a point needs to be made about why the government should not be mixing with religion. Gays want the government to see this religious thing differently than it has been for millenia. Religious people want to follow the letter of the Bible. They want to have their cake and eat it too, they want the government to recognize marriage, but they also want the government to discriminate against gays.
To me the fundamental problem is that the government is in deep with a religious issue.
Gays need to wake up and get out of this silly argument. That is courts should ban recognition of marriage by governments for EVERYONE. If individual churches want to redefine marriage, then go for it!
Religious people need to get real. There never should have been a dam marriage recognized in this country under the law since 1776 anymore than a Bris or baptism or first communion or any mitzva.