Anonymous
Post 05/07/2012 13:51     Subject: Retake WISC
Anonymous wrote:You guys got it all wrong. The real issue is identifying gifted second graders. Some kids that are gifted do not test well...and some kids that are gifted are extremely introverted and do not show there ability, but test well.


Thankfully the FCPS screening process considers multiple factors and not simply a single test score.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2012 13:48     Subject: Retake WISC
You guys got it all wrong. The real issue is identifying gifted second graders. Some kids that are gifted do not test well...and some kids that are gifted are extremely introverted and do not show there ability, but test well.

To me, the real issue should be will the kid be able to keep up with the workload, and will they take away from the other kids. It is not like AAP costs more -- the student to teacher ratios are the same.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2012 13:29     Subject: Retake WISC
Anonymous wrote:I agree with the above but I still do believe that not all kids in the AAP are gifted, low test scores and high GBRS are maybe above average not necessarily gifted.


I agree. I think the screening system makes sure that all gifted students are identified, but also let some of not so gifted(but above average) in, too.
(i.e. 132 test score and inflated GBRS of 14)
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2012 13:24     Subject: Retake WISC
I agree with the above but I still do believe that not all kids in the AAP are gifted, low test scores and high GBRS are maybe above average not necessarily gifted.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2012 13:20     Subject: Retake WISC
Anonymous wrote:
The name of the program was not changed because the kids are not "gifted." It was changed because all kids are gifted in one area or another and the program is only for those who are academically gifted.

That being said, the WISC can only be taken once per year, and the result is unlikely to change. At this point I would let it go. If you keep pushing it your son will either end up feeling like he's not smart enough or like he's smarter than everyone else in his class. Neither of those are good for a child.


+1
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2012 13:18     Subject: Retake WISC
Anonymous wrote:Kids were low test scores and high GBRS's are not all necessarily gifted, i personally know of parents who have acknowledged this.


No, they're not. But there are plenty of kids in AAP with 99th percentile+ test scores and 15&16 GBRS. It's probably safe to say that these kids are gifted.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2012 13:14     Subject: Retake WISC
Anonymous wrote:Remember not all kids in the AAP are gifted but are above average therefore


Untrue statement.


Anonymous wrote:
there has been the name change from the " gifted and talented " to the "advance academic program."


True statement.


Citation:
http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/pdfs/aapac/gtac/GTAC2006-07AnnualReport.pdf

Changing the name of Gifted and Talented Programs

During the course of the GTAC discussions this year, the question was raised about the
name of the program itself. We know that the State of Virginia requires Fairfax County
Public Schools to provide gifted services, but it does not designate the name of those
services. Several choices were discussed and, while some members did not support a
change, the majority of the Committee membership approved of a name change from
Gifted and Talented Services to Advanced Academic Programs. It was felt by the
Committee that this name change emphasizes efforts to put a label on the service being
offered and recognizes the academic nature of the program.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2012 13:11     Subject: Retake WISC
Kids were low test scores and high GBRS's are not all necessarily gifted, i personally know of parents who have acknowledged this.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2012 13:02     Subject: Retake WISC
Anonymous wrote:Remember not all kids in the AAP are gifted but are above average therefore there has been the name change from the " gifted and talented " to the "advance academic program." Some kids have low scores but are well liked by teachers and AART and may also display better behaviors and academic progress in class and those are given better GBRS's. But there are some that are not well liked and are overlooked are given poor GBRS's regardless of the high test scores. It is rather unfair process, thus the anxiety to appeal and get in.


The name of the program was not changed because the kids are not "gifted." It was changed because all kids are gifted in one area or another and the program is only for those who are academically gifted.

That being said, the WISC can only be taken once per year, and the result is unlikely to change. At this point I would let it go. If you keep pushing it your son will either end up feeling like he's not smart enough or like he's smarter than everyone else in his class. Neither of those are good for a child.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2012 12:51     Subject: Retake WISC
Not everyone with high scores and low GBRS are prepped as they also have O's on their reports and teacher acknowledges they are doing well academically and then why all of a sudden a low GBRS? Why are the teachers swayed when doing GBRS's is to keep the AAP admiitance numbers down so the schools can cope with the overcrowded AAP classes?
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2012 12:31     Subject: Retake WISC
Anonymous wrote:Remember not all kids in the AAP are gifted but are above average therefore there has been the name change from the " gifted and talented " to the "advance academic program." Some kids have low scores but are well liked by teachers and AART and may also display better behaviors and academic progress in class and those are given better GBRS's. But there are some that are not well liked and are overlooked are given poor GBRS's regardless of the high test scores. It is rather unfair process, thus the anxiety to appeal and get in.


Alternatively, I could say some prep for the tests, but are really not that smart.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2012 12:04     Subject: Retake WISC
Anonymous wrote:My son did not get in 2nd grade AAP , his WISC was 129. Did not get in this time as well for 3rd grade , thinking of retaking the WISC,has anybody done a similar thing?

It is so close, I would appeal again. Hopefully you have a great GBRS.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2012 11:33     Subject: Retake WISC
Remember not all kids in the AAP are gifted but are above average therefore there has been the name change from the " gifted and talented " to the "advance academic program." Some kids have low scores but are well liked by teachers and AART and may also display better behaviors and academic progress in class and those are given better GBRS's. But there are some that are not well liked and are overlooked are given poor GBRS's regardless of the high test scores. It is rather unfair process, thus the anxiety to appeal and get in.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2012 11:20     Subject: Retake WISC
I won't condone the bashing that is probably going to come out on your thread. But, if I were in your shoes I would just let it go and enjoy the fact that my kid is really smart. Don't worry about the Jones and let the AAP go. As the AART teacher at my kids' school said... it's high school advanced classes that count.

It's o.k. to be at a regular school and it's o.k. to have a smart, but not "gifted" child.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2012 09:06     Subject: Retake WISC
My son did not get in 2nd grade AAP , his WISC was 129. Did not get in this time as well for 3rd grade , thinking of retaking the WISC,has anybody done a similar thing?