Anonymous
06/22/2012 23:15
Subject: AAP Lottery
Definitely a school by school decision. In one LLIV school active participation in PTA and/or $$$ donated will ensure a coveted spot, regardless of level III, II or whatever. Not sure if this is any fairer than a lottery open to level IIIs only or lottery open to the entire grade.
Anonymous
06/22/2012 22:46
Subject: AAP Lottery
Anonymous wrote:At our school, the principal had this elaborate rating scale for those not selected, which included GBRS, CogAT and Naglieri, maybe DRA, I cannot remember it all. He used this to rank children who were not Level IV eligible to fill the available spots in the LLIV. Seemed like a pretty fair system to me. This was a few years ago, not sure how it is done now, or if it is a school by school decision.
It is a school by school decision. Some principals hold lotteries. Others have a referral process and the local screening committee selects the students to fill the Local Level IV class. Other principals use other methods. There is no consistency from school to school.
Anonymous
06/22/2012 22:36
Subject: AAP Lottery
At our school, the principal had this elaborate rating scale for those not selected, which included GBRS, CogAT and Naglieri, maybe DRA, I cannot remember it all. He used this to rank children who were not Level IV eligible to fill the available spots in the LLIV. Seemed like a pretty fair system to me. This was a few years ago, not sure how it is done now, or if it is a school by school decision.
Anonymous
06/22/2012 13:29
Subject: Re:AAP Lottery
Anonymous wrote:Our school has a lottery...I was e-mailed by the AAP teacher and told that the lottery is luck of the draw (they put all students in lottery)....which I find crazy, I mean if you are going to take the time to screen and have people appeal etc....then when there is room in the class just make it an open lottery!!! WHAT is this about????? It should be a tiered selection...by scores/screenings or teacher selection to make this supposed level 4 class equal in student capability or I don't even see why they have level 4???? Just is so frustrating! From a parent who's daughter achieved the same scores as 2 of her peers who are selected for level 4??? So it has been none the less quite a frustrating journey for us and the only difference I have noted between peers that are receiving services and us is that we are not locals we are military.....and I have noted this correlation through several schools in our local area...which are very tight knit groups and have lived here forever.
It must be for Level III eligible kids filling in available slots at local level IV classes.
So put all level III eligible kids the pot, and draw.
Again if a kid is found eligible for Level IV, then the kid is guaranteed for the service.
Anonymous
06/22/2012 12:50
Subject: Re:AAP Lottery
Our school has a lottery...I was e-mailed by the AAP teacher and told that the lottery is luck of the draw (they put all students in lottery)....which I find crazy, I mean if you are going to take the time to screen and have people appeal etc....then when there is room in the class just make it an open lottery!!! WHAT is this about????? It should be a tiered selection...by scores/screenings or teacher selection to make this supposed level 4 class equal in student capability or I don't even see why they have level 4???? Just is so frustrating! From a parent who's daughter achieved the same scores as 2 of her peers who are selected for level 4??? So it has been none the less quite a frustrating journey for us and the only difference I have noted between peers that are receiving services and us is that we are not locals we are military.....and I have noted this correlation through several schools in our local area...which are very tight knit groups and have lived here forever.
Anonymous
04/27/2012 09:38
Subject: Re:AAP Lottery
Thanks cont'd PP! That makes sense.
Anonymous
04/27/2012 09:35
Subject: Re:AAP Lottery
Con't from pp,
Once your kid is qualified for level IV, then the kid is guaranteed for the level IV service, and have option to stay local level IV(if the local school happens to be a local Level IV school) or center level IV in hands.
If local level IV school have seats available, the school can pick some of level III qualified students and stick them to to level IV class(es).
(I think you call this a 'lottery')
So the student composition at local level IV classes are usually around level III.5, but they follow Level IV curriculum.
Once your kid is qualified for level IV, then the kid is guaranteed for the level IV service, and have option to stay local level IV(if the local school happens to be a local Level IV school) or center level IV in hands.
If local level IV school have seats available, the school can pick some of level III qualified students and stick them to to level IV class(es).
(I think you call this a 'lottery')
So the student composition at local level IV classes are usually around level III.5, but they follow Level IV curriculum.
Anonymous
04/27/2012 09:33
Subject: Re:AAP Lottery
OP again....
"Level IV classrooms will be selected based on center-eligible Level IV qualification via the FCPS Advanced Academics screening process. In addition, remaining class seats will be filled via the lottery process in June."
This is for school-based services - not a center. Though this is referred to as Level IV, I do think this sounds more like Level III services but I am not sure. Next year the school will have a local Level IV class. I am guessing as one of the previous posters mentioned that students with an academic strength might get pulled into this class for just that subject.
Does anyone have experience with local school-based AAP services, if not the lottery process itself?
"Level IV classrooms will be selected based on center-eligible Level IV qualification via the FCPS Advanced Academics screening process. In addition, remaining class seats will be filled via the lottery process in June."
This is for school-based services - not a center. Though this is referred to as Level IV, I do think this sounds more like Level III services but I am not sure. Next year the school will have a local Level IV class. I am guessing as one of the previous posters mentioned that students with an academic strength might get pulled into this class for just that subject.
Does anyone have experience with local school-based AAP services, if not the lottery process itself?
Anonymous
04/27/2012 09:26
Subject: Re:AAP Lottery
Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is a lottery in our school. There is a meeting that preceeds the meeting for Level IV orientation. I imagine some kids choose to leave the local school for a Level IV but others choose to stay and then there are slots available for Level IV in the local school.
No. The 'lottery' is probably for level III students squeezing in to local level IV as seats available.
So that's for level III.
Anonymous
04/27/2012 09:23
Subject: Re:AAP Lottery
OP here. There is a lottery in our school. There is a meeting that preceeds the meeting for Level IV orientation. I imagine some kids choose to leave the local school for a Level IV but others choose to stay and then there are slots available for Level IV in the local school.
Anonymous
04/27/2012 09:18
Subject: AAP Lottery
9:17 here. What I meant by how the classes are structured is she might get pulled in for math only but not for other subjects, for example, depending on how your school has its local level 4 program set up.
Anonymous
04/27/2012 09:17
Subject: AAP Lottery
But if she doesn't make Level 4, and they put her in a local level 4 class at your base school, she can be pulled out the following year. In other words, only people in Level 4 are guaranteed to be in Level 4 through 8th grade. Students that don't make the cut can move in and out of Local level 4 classrooms depending on amount of room available, how well they do, or how the classes are structured.
Anonymous
04/27/2012 09:13
Subject: AAP Lottery
It doesn't work by lottery. Once the child is in the pool, teachers also submit a form called the GBRS which is essentially a teacher rating. The committee then takes all that information and makes a decision on admission. Once your child is in, he/she is in, period, even if you leave the system and come back later.
There is a lottery for the two arts and science magnet schools (Bailey's and Hunters Woods) but that has nothing to do with AAP.
There is a lottery for the two arts and science magnet schools (Bailey's and Hunters Woods) but that has nothing to do with AAP.
Anonymous
04/27/2012 09:11
Subject: AAP Lottery
There is no lottery. If you are not excepted you can appeal (which 121 won't work for that), or you can reapply next year. If your school has a local level iv, then you can talk to your aart about trying to get into that class if there is room once the # of accepted level iv kids is determined.
Anonymous
04/27/2012 09:05
Subject: AAP Lottery
Hi all...
New to this. How does the AAP lottery work? If your DC gets in one year, do they have to go through the lottery process each successive year?
DC did well on CogATs and NNATs but not well enough to make the pool (131 on each). DC sat for the WISC and scored 121 (off the charts in non-verbal, so-so in verbal except for vocabulary where DC did really well and some very poor results in processing speed and visual memory which may point to other issues we will explore) so we won''t be appealing with that. I have no idea what DC's GBRS was but I am pretty sure DC didn't make the cut.
I am interested in your thoughts on the lottery process. This is for slots at our local school which we mostly love (this year I haven't been thrilled with either of DC's teachers for different reasons but generally have really been happy with their teachers, the academic environment, the administration and the school community.
Thanks for any insights you can share.
New to this. How does the AAP lottery work? If your DC gets in one year, do they have to go through the lottery process each successive year?
DC did well on CogATs and NNATs but not well enough to make the pool (131 on each). DC sat for the WISC and scored 121 (off the charts in non-verbal, so-so in verbal except for vocabulary where DC did really well and some very poor results in processing speed and visual memory which may point to other issues we will explore) so we won''t be appealing with that. I have no idea what DC's GBRS was but I am pretty sure DC didn't make the cut.
I am interested in your thoughts on the lottery process. This is for slots at our local school which we mostly love (this year I haven't been thrilled with either of DC's teachers for different reasons but generally have really been happy with their teachers, the academic environment, the administration and the school community.
Thanks for any insights you can share.