Anonymous wrote:Feeling better all the time that DS has decided to attend an urban university. It won't be without its own risks and challenges, but he will not be surrounded by bored kids in a small town with nothing else to do for recreation than drink and haze one another.

I never really considered this position. Is there a correlation between a school's location and behavior?

Feeling better all the time that DS has decided to attend an urban university. It won't be without its own risks and challenges, but he will not be surrounded by bored kids in a small town with nothing else to do for recreation than drink and haze one another.

As this article from today's New York Times demonstrates, hazing and binge drinking can go beyond boorish behavior and lead to tragedy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/15/education/edlife/a-hazing-at-cornell.html?_r=1&ref=education

Anonymous wrote:Even if the truth is somewhere in the middle, why does Dartmouth allow this to go on in this day and age?

Agree -- the truth is somewhere in the middle -- after all, Lohse has every reason to fabricate much of his story and RS is not known for objective, fact-based journalism. But, if even one-tenth of the article is truem it's a pretty sad picture of what is in many ways a great school with much to offer. Unfortunately, the administration, under the current and previous presidents, has been reluctant to stand up to the many alums who love the frats and the misogynistic, heavy-drinking culture. Most surprising to me is that so many female grads defend and make excuses for the excessive behavior.

Anonymous wrote:Even if the truth is somewhere in the middle, why does Dartmouth allow this to go on in this day and age?

That's what I find disturbing - the article indicates that the current president did not want to take on the frat culture. Maybe the new president will be more enlightened.

Even if the truth is somewhere in the middle, why does Dartmouth allow this to go on in this day and age?

Kind of shocking. When I was in college, Dartmouth was a safety school full of racist Republicans, frat boys, and people insanely obsessed with winter sports.

One of my friends from grad school went there for undergrad, and he is smart, nice, and now an Ivy League prof. He's also a great father and husband. I thought perhaps I had misjudged Dartmouth. Now it looks as if I didn't judge them harshly enough.

We won't have to worry about Dartmouth. Not a snowball's chance any of my kids are going there.

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Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth has always had the reputation as the Ivy for frat boys who have nothing else to do in Hanover than drink and play games with each other, as well as for alumni who are fiercely proud and brook no criticism. The RS article and 14:55's post reinforce this perception.

There are far better places to go and still end up in the 1%.

Is that the goal?

Seriously?

Did you read the article? I am assuming the pp is referring to references in the article, not her personal goals. But as a BSchool grad it's not surprising - my whole school aimed to be the 1%.

Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth has always had the reputation as the Ivy for frat boys who have nothing else to do in Hanover than drink and play games with each other, as well as for alumni who are fiercely proud and brook no criticism. The RS article and 14:55's post reinforce this perception.

There are far better places to go and still end up in the 1%.

Is that the goal?

Seriously?

I couldn't finish the article I am so disgusted. I am a grad school alum of Dartmouth. I chose not to apply as an undergrad because it was less than a decade after it turned coed and was still only about a third women and the frat culture was totally dominant. But I had hoped that my son, a high school student so we are starting to look at colleges, might apply there. Based on this article we will take a pass.

Dartmouth has always had the reputation as the Ivy for frat boys who have nothing else to do in Hanover than drink and play games with each other, as well as for alumni who are fiercely proud and brook no criticism. The RS article and 14:55's post reinforce this perception.

There are far better places to go and still end up in the 1%.

I had read that article when I got my copy in the mail -- just terrible that men still behave that way and have such debased views about drinking, sex, and women.

Trots out a lot of tired and out-dated stuff (Animal House? again? really? old news, people) that simply isn't true of the institution today or as a whole - what the student describes could very well be true, but it's not fair to use that to try to paint the whole school with the same brush just because sensationalism gets more attention for an article.
- a Dartmouth alumna of the early 1990s

What is ur reaction to this story.

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/confessions-of-an-ivy-league-frat-boy-inside-dartmouths-hazing-abuses-20120328