Anonymous
Post 03/18/2012 18:40     Subject: Anger towards twice exceptional kids getting benefits?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maybe those parents need a reality check. Here is a snapshot of a few kids from a recent period in an actual AAP class:

-kid with IEP, attention issues: needs to be redirected when transitioning to new tasks and needs checks to see if he's on task. Certainly needs more attention than the "average" kid in the class.
-kid without IEP: needs to be redirected several times because he's reading a novel under his desk and is plainly not interested. When the time comes for independent work, asks for help from his neighbor because he wasn't listening.
-kid with IEP, Asperger's: has finished the assignment long before the rest of the class and refuses to go back and work through it along with everyone else, just in case. His stubbornness is grating, but in the end all his answers are correct.
-kid without IEP: didn't understand the lesson too well. Making lots of mistakes on the independent work section and needs a fair amount of redirection. Maybe this particular subject isn't the kid's forte...

In terms of performance on the tests, the kids with IEPs exhibit more variability than the others: sometimes they leave their peers in the dust, and sometimes you wonder whether they brought their brain with them to school that day.


I don't care that some children are 2E. I DO get annoyed with the 2E parents who imply that the 2E kids get all there work done and the other non ADHD kids 'didn't understand the lesson' or 'make lots of mistakes'. Gimme a break! My 2 AAP DC are not 2E and I can tell you your stories are not what happens in their classes. My AAP DC knows exactly who the ADHD kids are. The kids make comments 'he doesn't pay attention', 'he takes time away from the rest of the class', 'he can't control himself', etc. So maybe parents at home hear these complaints and think - why are these disruptive kids taking away the class time from everyone else.


I'm just relating to you my observations as an adult. It may be that the kid your children are dealing with is a real handful. Or it may be that the kids are doubly annoyed by his behavior because they realize he really has learning differences and kids in late elementary are starting to become very unforgiving about kids whom they perceive as "different", as opposed to being annoyed with the kid who is willfully ignoring instructions and is just being cool and rebellious, or the kid who is simply having academic difficulties in one area and who allows them to feel superior.
I'm very skeptical of the "he takes time away from the rest of the class" comment. That's something some kids have heard their parents say by implication, and are just parroting. Most kids, even in AAP (yes! even in AAP) are very happy to have less work to do rather than more.
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2012 17:16     Subject: Anger towards twice exceptional kids getting benefits?
Anonymous wrote:For those 2E parents out there-how is AAP working for you? I have a second grader in the pool, has combined type ADHD and IEP and doing really well on meds this year. We saw DC's AAP file recently and an acceptance seems likely based on the teacher recs.

I want DC to stay engaged and do well without being overwhelmed-currently DC is advanced in math buT has had reading struggles, currently at grade level. For those in a similar position, did your child do well at the center? Where did you experience difficulty?


AAP would be very difficult for a child with reading difficulties. My dd's 3rd grade AAP class jumped right into novel groups using 5th and 6th grade level books.
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2012 16:20     Subject: Anger towards twice exceptional kids getting benefits?
Anonymous wrote:
Maybe those parents need a reality check. Here is a snapshot of a few kids from a recent period in an actual AAP class:

-kid with IEP, attention issues: needs to be redirected when transitioning to new tasks and needs checks to see if he's on task. Certainly needs more attention than the "average" kid in the class.
-kid without IEP: needs to be redirected several times because he's reading a novel under his desk and is plainly not interested. When the time comes for independent work, asks for help from his neighbor because he wasn't listening.
-kid with IEP, Asperger's: has finished the assignment long before the rest of the class and refuses to go back and work through it along with everyone else, just in case. His stubbornness is grating, but in the end all his answers are correct.
-kid without IEP: didn't understand the lesson too well. Making lots of mistakes on the independent work section and needs a fair amount of redirection. Maybe this particular subject isn't the kid's forte...

In terms of performance on the tests, the kids with IEPs exhibit more variability than the others: sometimes they leave their peers in the dust, and sometimes you wonder whether they brought their brain with them to school that day.


I don't care that some children are 2E. I DO get annoyed with the 2E parents who imply that the 2E kids get all there work done and the other non ADHD kids 'didn't understand the lesson' or 'make lots of mistakes'. Gimme a break! My 2 AAP DC are not 2E and I can tell you your stories are not what happens in their classes. My AAP DC knows exactly who the ADHD kids are. The kids make comments 'he doesn't pay attention', 'he takes time away from the rest of the class', 'he can't control himself', etc. So maybe parents at home hear these complaints and think - why are these disruptive kids taking away the class time from everyone else.
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2012 12:31     Subject: Anger towards twice exceptional kids getting benefits?
For those 2E parents out there-how is AAP working for you? I have a second grader in the pool, has combined type ADHD and IEP and doing really well on meds this year. We saw DC's AAP file recently and an acceptance seems likely based on the teacher recs.

I want DC to stay engaged and do well without being overwhelmed-currently DC is advanced in math buT has had reading struggles, currently at grade level. For those in a similar position, did your child do well at the center? Where did you experience difficulty?
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2012 10:31     Subject: Re:Anger towards twice exceptional kids getting benefits?
who gets angry? First I've heard of this.
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2012 09:30     Subject: Anger towards twice exceptional kids getting benefits?
Yes, I get annoyed with the fact that there are kids who have access to AAP and have an IEP. My kid is very bright (IQ 130, but not elligible for AAP), has inattentive ADHD, and I had to shell out 28K/year for private school. 504s are worthless.
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2012 08:52     Subject: Anger towards twice exceptional kids getting benefits?
Anonymous wrote:OP here: benefits is a poor choice of words. Yes, they are services but some non IEP parents seem to consider them benefits!

neuro typical - when you've seen psychiatrists or neuropsychologists, they use this term and thats were we learned it. It means normal children.

I'm not trying to pick a fight. I just learned that some parents get very annoyed with children who are in AAP and have IEP's. But they don't seem to get as annoyed with children who aren't in AAP but have IEP's. I wondered why. I can't ask them directly without really picking a fight so I thought an anonymous forum is a better place to get the answer.

And the issue requiring the IEP is inattentiveness.


Then let's just use that phrase. We're not psychiatrists or neuropsychologists, so to pepper conversations about SN kids with phrases like "neuro typical" is just ... not normal. In fact, it feels like a contortion.
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2012 00:30     Subject: Anger towards twice exceptional kids getting benefits?
Anonymous wrote:I'm not trying to pick a fight. I just learned that some parents get very annoyed with children who are in AAP and have IEP's. But they don't seem to get as annoyed with children who aren't in AAP but have IEP's. I wondered why. I can't ask them directly without really picking a fight so I thought an anonymous forum is a better place to get the answer.

And the issue requiring the IEP is inattentiveness.


Maybe those parents need a reality check. Here is a snapshot of a few kids from a recent period in an actual AAP class:

-kid with IEP, attention issues: needs to be redirected when transitioning to new tasks and needs checks to see if he's on task. Certainly needs more attention than the "average" kid in the class.
-kid without IEP: needs to be redirected several times because he's reading a novel under his desk and is plainly not interested. When the time comes for independent work, asks for help from his neighbor because he wasn't listening.
-kid with IEP, Asperger's: has finished the assignment long before the rest of the class and refuses to go back and work through it along with everyone else, just in case. His stubbornness is grating, but in the end all his answers are correct.
-kid without IEP: didn't understand the lesson too well. Making lots of mistakes on the independent work section and needs a fair amount of redirection. Maybe this particular subject isn't the kid's forte...

In terms of performance on the tests, the kids with IEPs exhibit more variability than the others: sometimes they leave their peers in the dust, and sometimes you wonder whether they brought their brain with them to school that day.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2012 23:07     Subject: Re:Anger towards twice exceptional kids getting benefits?
Honestly, it is my experience that more than half the kids in my son's AAP class have or NEED an IEP. Including my little guy. There are all sorts of people with their own special issues in his class.

There was one boy who was completely out of control and very disruptive to the class. His Mom is a close friend of mine. Even he wasn't kicked out of the program because of his disruptions. He was taken out by his parents (with support from the school) because his grades were terrible, he was failing and it was obvious that he needed a smaller more focused environment. He is back at his home school now and doing great in a smaller class with specialized care.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2012 21:20     Subject: Anger towards twice exceptional kids getting benefits?
OP here: benefits is a poor choice of words. Yes, they are services but some non IEP parents seem to consider them benefits!

neuro typical - when you've seen psychiatrists or neuropsychologists, they use this term and thats were we learned it. It means normal children.

I'm not trying to pick a fight. I just learned that some parents get very annoyed with children who are in AAP and have IEP's. But they don't seem to get as annoyed with children who aren't in AAP but have IEP's. I wondered why. I can't ask them directly without really picking a fight so I thought an anonymous forum is a better place to get the answer.

And the issue requiring the IEP is inattentiveness.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2012 21:05     Subject: Re:Anger towards twice exceptional kids getting benefits?
Even the title you used for this is weird - "getting benefits"? I've got SN kids with IEPs and if someone else's kid were "getting benefts", I'd be pissed, too. My kids don't get 'benefits' with their IEPs, they get services and instruction that allows them to access the curricula. Without the IEP, the education other kids can get wouldn't be available to my kids but the IEP certainly isn't a 'benefit'.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2012 19:18     Subject: Anger towards twice exceptional kids getting benefits?
Anonymous wrote:If a child is twice exceptional and has made it in AAP but also has an IEP, do parents get angry about that? Why? Inclusion is a basic public school philosophy and IEP's level the playing field, they don't take away anything the neuro typical children need.


The who and the what now?

Are you trying to use the word "normal?" As in "what the normal children need?"

Anonymous
Post 03/17/2012 16:53     Subject: Anger towards twice exceptional kids getting benefits?
You're opening up a can a worms and since IEPs are individualized plans it is very hard to generalize an answer. Also, does the child have a 504 or an IEP? I completely understand a child with a 504 in AAP,. I get how it could work.

If the child has a IEP, however what is their eligibility category? Is it social/ emotional? OHI? SLD?
You are not providing enough particulars.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2012 16:07     Subject: Anger towards twice exceptional kids getting benefits?
did you just post this hoping to pick a fight?
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2012 15:56     Subject: Anger towards twice exceptional kids getting benefits?
If a child is twice exceptional and has made it in AAP but also has an IEP, do parents get angry about that? Why? Inclusion is a basic public school philosophy and IEP's level the playing field, they don't take away anything the neuro typical children need.