Anonymous
Post 03/04/2012 09:01     Subject: NJ Teachers Union Boss With 500K Salary Tells Poor People with Terrible Schools "Life's Not Fair"
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I always thought tax money was money to benefit other tax payers. Like roads, public parks, schools, military etc
Let us use some for the children, that is where it should be going


I am sure he would strongly agree with you. The difference is that the vouchers he opposes would go to private schools to assist a small minority of students. He would prefer to see the money used to strengthen the public school system which would benefit a larger number of students. This is the same debate we have regarding vouchers in DC.


So some poor kids are getting a good education. But not all. So he can only improve the existing schools by removing a program that has helped some kids
take 2 steps backward, then go forward 1 step


The arguments for both sides of the voucher debate are pretty well known. I am sure we both have each side memorized. So, why don't you just review them in your head and we can skip repeating them here.


This is DCUM, we re-hash every side of every argument with several flames thrown in here and there in each thread... duh.
jsteele
Post 03/02/2012 17:00     Subject: NJ Teachers Union Boss With 500K Salary Tells Poor People with Terrible Schools "Life's Not Fair"
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I always thought tax money was money to benefit other tax payers. Like roads, public parks, schools, military etc
Let us use some for the children, that is where it should be going


I am sure he would strongly agree with you. The difference is that the vouchers he opposes would go to private schools to assist a small minority of students. He would prefer to see the money used to strengthen the public school system which would benefit a larger number of students. This is the same debate we have regarding vouchers in DC.


So some poor kids are getting a good education. But not all. So he can only improve the existing schools by removing a program that has helped some kids
take 2 steps backward, then go forward 1 step


The arguments for both sides of the voucher debate are pretty well known. I am sure we both have each side memorized. So, why don't you just review them in your head and we can skip repeating them here.
Anonymous
Post 03/02/2012 16:45     Subject: NJ Teachers Union Boss With 500K Salary Tells Poor People with Terrible Schools "Life's Not Fair"
jsteele wrote:
I always thought tax money was money to benefit other tax payers. Like roads, public parks, schools, military etc
Let us use some for the children, that is where it should be going


I am sure he would strongly agree with you. The difference is that the vouchers he opposes would go to private schools to assist a small minority of students. He would prefer to see the money used to strengthen the public school system which would benefit a larger number of students. This is the same debate we have regarding vouchers in DC.


So some poor kids are getting a good education. But not all. So he can only improve the existing schools by removing a program that has helped some kids
take 2 steps backward, then go forward 1 step
Anonymous
Post 03/02/2012 15:22     Subject: NJ Teachers Union Boss With 500K Salary Tells Poor People with Terrible Schools "Life's Not Fair"
He makes $250K. How did it become a half a million?
Anonymous
Post 03/02/2012 15:22     Subject: NJ Teachers Union Boss With 500K Salary Tells Poor People with Terrible Schools "Life's Not Fair"
Anonymous wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_4MaqbwXZQ

If you want to know what the teacher's union thinks about you or your kids well here you go.


Funny, because the fairness he's talking about is poor people not making enough money. What is the Republican plan to make life fair?
jsteele
Post 03/02/2012 12:04     Subject: NJ Teachers Union Boss With 500K Salary Tells Poor People with Terrible Schools "Life's Not Fair"
[quote=Anonymous
I always thought tax money was money to benefit other tax payers. Like roads, public parks, schools, military etc
Let us use some for the children, that is where it should be going


I am sure he would strongly agree with you. The difference is that the vouchers he opposes would go to private schools to assist a small minority of students. He would prefer to see the money used to strengthen the public school system which would benefit a larger number of students. This is the same debate we have regarding vouchers in DC.

Anonymous
Post 03/02/2012 11:56     Subject: NJ Teachers Union Boss With 500K Salary Tells Poor People with Terrible Schools "Life's Not Fair"
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
"Life's not always fair, and I'm sorry about that, but to suggest that we take money from taxpayers and give it to certain taxpayers to use to educate their kids outside of the public school just seems to me to be [wrong]"


"I’m not about equality of result when it comes to income inequality. There is income inequality in America. There always has been and, hopefully, and I do say that, there always will be."

wow,
what politically correct and screwed ways of saying 'stuff you'
And some are dumb enough to know they have just been screwed

I always thought tax money was money to benefit other tax payers. Like roads, public parks, schools, military etc
Let us use some for the children, that is where it should be going

And the other lunatic who really thinks an obese man can sleep when you spend the whole day in a room full of bratty teenagers, please change your profession and see for yourself how wonderful it is


Are you a teacher? Is your attitude about your students as "BRATTY" if so, I guess the stereo type is true.
Anonymous
Post 03/02/2012 11:53     Subject: NJ Teachers Union Boss With 500K Salary Tells Poor People with Terrible Schools "Life's Not Fair"
jsteele wrote:
"Life's not always fair, and I'm sorry about that, but to suggest that we take money from taxpayers and give it to certain taxpayers to use to educate their kids outside of the public school just seems to me to be [wrong]"


"I’m not about equality of result when it comes to income inequality. There is income inequality in America. There always has been and, hopefully, and I do say that, there always will be."

wow,
what politically correct and screwed ways of saying 'stuff you'
And some are dumb enough to know they have just been screwed

I always thought tax money was money to benefit other tax payers. Like roads, public parks, schools, military etc
Let us use some for the children, that is where it should be going

And the other lunatic who really thinks an obese man can sleep when you spend the whole day in a room full of bratty teenagers, please change your profession and see for yourself how wonderful it is
Anonymous
Post 03/02/2012 11:21     Subject: Re:NJ Teachers Union Boss With 500K Salary Tells Poor People with Terrible Schools "Life's Not Fair"
jsteele
Post 03/02/2012 11:16     Subject: NJ Teachers Union Boss With 500K Salary Tells Poor People with Terrible Schools "Life's Not Fair"
Anonymous wrote:http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/nj-teacher-union-head-lifes-not-fair/366626

Here is the full text. Still terrible.


The full quote:

"Life's not always fair, and I'm sorry about that, but to suggest that we take money from taxpayers and give it to certain taxpayers to use to educate their kids outside of the public school just seems to me to be [wrong]"

I am not exactly sure what is offensive about this. The fact that "life is not fair" has been one of the primary slogans of those opposed to OWS. Personally, I'd like to try to make it more fair. But, for example, Rick Santorum was recently proclaiming unfairness to be a positive characteristic of our society. Similarly, in almost any other context, giving taxpayer dollars to individuals to purchase commercial services for personal use would result in a Tea Party demonstration.

Edit: Here is Santorum's quote. Isn't this actually worse than the quote above?

"I’m not about equality of result when it comes to income inequality. There is income inequality in America. There always has been and, hopefully, and I do say that, there always will be."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/18/opinion/blow-santorum-exalts-inequality.html

Note that the union guy's quote came in response to the questioner saying "some of these parents can't afford to take their kids out of failing schools." So, the "unfairness" to which he referred was exactly income inequality -- something Santorum hopes we will always have.
Anonymous
Post 03/02/2012 11:02     Subject: NJ Teachers Union Boss With 500K Salary Tells Poor People with Terrible Schools "Life's Not Fair"
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/nj-teacher-union-head-lifes-not-fair/366626

Here is the full text. Still terrible.
jsteele
Post 03/02/2012 10:49     Subject: NJ Teachers Union Boss With 500K Salary Tells Poor People with Terrible Schools "Life's Not Fair"
Anonymous wrote:Huh. That clip cuts off the Union rep in the middle of a sentence. What does he actually say?


Exactly, this has been a trend among the right-wingers here for quite a while. I guess that's the Foxification of right-wing political discourse. I'd say over half of the conservative posts on here are based on made up bs like this. James O'Keefe would be proud of the editing OP.
Anonymous
Post 03/02/2012 10:17     Subject: NJ Teachers Union Boss With 500K Salary Tells Poor People with Terrible Schools "Life's Not Fair"
Anonymous wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_4MaqbwXZQ

If you want to know what the teacher's union thinks about you or your kids well here you go.


Huh. That clip cuts off the Union rep in the middle of a sentence. What does he actually say?
Anonymous
Post 03/02/2012 09:48     Subject: NJ Teachers Union Boss With 500K Salary Tells Poor People with Terrible Schools "Life's Not Fair"
Well, they are supposed to be happy and content with 2nd class education and compare their lot to children living in Uganda

If they start comparing their lives to those living in Sweden or Germany or Italy they are stupid

Good schools and education is meant for the ruling class
Anonymous
Post 03/02/2012 09:38     Subject: NJ Teachers Union Boss With 500K Salary Tells Poor People with Terrible Schools "Life's Not Fair"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_4MaqbwXZQ

If you want to know what the teacher's union thinks about you or your kids well here you go.