Anonymous
Post 02/20/2012 18:54     Subject: Santorum and his wife aborted a child at 19 weeks
He's also against medical malpractice suits, even though his wife launched and won one against her chiropractor.

This pot just can't stop calling the kettle black.
jsteele
Post 02/20/2012 18:42     Subject: Santorum and his wife aborted a child at 19 weeks
takoma wrote:Does it really matter whether, at a time when the mother and baby were both threatened with death, the Santorums may have made a decision that is not consistent with their beliefs? I think it's parallel to the fact that I do not believe in capital punishment, but would probably want it applied to someone who killed a member of my family.

It is not the fact that he may not always manage to live by his principles that bothers me, it's the fact that he seems to believe that as president he should impose those principles on the rest of us.


I would have no problem with him acting inconsistent with his principles under these circumstances if he had learned from the experience and gained an iota of compassion for others in that position. You may not be familiar with the story of the DCUM poster "Livid", but she is illustrative of the victims of Santorum's thinking. If, following his own experience, Santorum had gained some enlightenment and become willing to make life easier for those like Livid, this would be a non-issue. As it is, he would still prohibit other women from making the same decision he and his wife made.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2012 17:34     Subject: Santorum and his wife aborted a child at 19 weeks
Oh and they are good parents because they brought the corpse of the baby home after aborting it. Everybody knows that the real evil abortionists out there hold their nose and ask for a box of Purell wipes after aborting their baby.
It's all in the show you put on afterwards, you know.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2012 17:25     Subject: Santorum and his wife aborted a child at 19 weeks
It was Pitocin. But she didn't inhale.
takoma
Post 02/20/2012 17:15     Subject: Santorum and his wife aborted a child at 19 weeks
Does it really matter whether, at a time when the mother and baby were both threatened with death, the Santorums may have made a decision that is not consistent with their beliefs? I think it's parallel to the fact that I do not believe in capital punishment, but would probably want it applied to someone who killed a member of my family.

It is not the fact that he may not always manage to live by his principles that bothers me, it's the fact that he seems to believe that as president he should impose those principles on the rest of us.
jsteele
Post 02/20/2012 16:31     Subject: Re:Santorum and his wife aborted a child at 19 weeks
Anonymous wrote:
Karen took medicine that induced labor.


The article is misleading. Where does it state that the medicine wast specifically take to induce labor. The medicine induced labor but was that the intent? What was the medication?


According to this article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/22/magazine/22SANTORUM.html?pagewanted=all

The drug was Pitocin:

"After resisting at first, she allowed doctors to give her the drug Pitocin to speed the birth."

The Salon article mentioned above focuses on antibiotics. The author doesn't seem to be aware of Pitocin being administered. Hence, the author comes to a conclusion that that probably can't be supported if Pitocin was indeed used.


Anonymous
Post 02/20/2012 15:54     Subject: Santorum and his wife aborted a child at 19 weeks
http://www.salon.com/2012/01/06/karen_santorum_did_not_have_an_abortion/
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2012 15:26     Subject: Santorum and his wife aborted a child at 19 weeks
But they kept a daughter with Trisomy?? Seems strange.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2012 14:57     Subject: Re:Santorum and his wife aborted a child at 19 weeks
Anonymous wrote:
Karen took medicine that induced labor.


The article is misleading. Where does it state that the medicine wast specifically take to induce labor. The medicine induced labor but was that the intent? What was the medication?


Right. Go ahead. Keep grasping at straws so you won't have to remove your blinders.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2012 14:44     Subject: Santorum and his wife aborted a child at 19 weeks
Anonymous wrote:Karen Santorum was about 19 weeks pregnant when her unborn baby was found to be suffering from a fatal condition. This is where a lot of people choose to terminate. Instead, the Santorums tried intrauterine surgery. Tragically, the surgery caused an infection. Mrs. Santorum had a fever of 105. Again, instead of moving straight to early induction of their non-viable baby, the Santorums tried antibiotics first. Labor started due to the infection. Mrs. Santorum even asked for drugs to stop the labor. Despite all the lies circulating on the internet, Pitocin was never administered. Baby Gabriel was born at 20 weeks and apparently lived a short while. Through this whole ordeal, the Santorums acted according to their stated principles.


This sounds like a professionally composed response. Did you cut and paste it from the Santorum comms office?
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2012 14:44     Subject: Re:Santorum and his wife aborted a child at 19 weeks
Karen took medicine that induced labor.


The article is misleading. Where does it state that the medicine wast specifically take to induce labor. The medicine induced labor but was that the intent? What was the medication?
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2012 14:44     Subject: Santorum and his wife aborted a child at 19 weeks
Damn they should have made her do a vaginal ultrasound first!
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2012 14:39     Subject: Santorum and his wife aborted a child at 19 weeks
Anonymous wrote:Karen Santorum was about 19 weeks pregnant when her unborn baby was found to be suffering from a fatal condition. This is where a lot of people choose to terminate. Instead, the Santorums tried intrauterine surgery. Tragically, the surgery caused an infection. Mrs. Santorum had a fever of 105. Again, instead of moving straight to early induction of their non-viable baby, the Santorums tried antibiotics first. Labor started due to the infection. Mrs. Santorum even asked for drugs to stop the labor. Despite all the lies circulating on the internet, Pitocin was never administered. Baby Gabriel was born at 20 weeks and apparently lived a short while. Through this whole ordeal, the Santorums acted according to their stated principles.


Bullshit. He asked her to get induced. She was induced, and she wrote about it in her book.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/personal-tragedy-becomes-political-pawn/2012/01/19/gIQA75LdDQ_story.html

Their principles apparently only apply to other people's mothers, sisters and daughters.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2012 14:17     Subject: Santorum and his wife aborted a child at 19 weeks
Karen Santorum was about 19 weeks pregnant when her unborn baby was found to be suffering from a fatal condition. This is where a lot of people choose to terminate. Instead, the Santorums tried intrauterine surgery. Tragically, the surgery caused an infection. Mrs. Santorum had a fever of 105. Again, instead of moving straight to early induction of their non-viable baby, the Santorums tried antibiotics first. Labor started due to the infection. Mrs. Santorum even asked for drugs to stop the labor. Despite all the lies circulating on the internet, Pitocin was never administered. Baby Gabriel was born at 20 weeks and apparently lived a short while. Through this whole ordeal, the Santorums acted according to their stated principles.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2012 14:04     Subject: Santorum and his wife aborted a child at 19 weeks
see the thread on the personhood amendment for the info.

And this fucking piece of shit is telling women who have been raped that they have to make the best out of a bad situation???????????

I am absolutely nauseated by this man and by the all the Repugs who would support him. Dan Savage is right.