Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And would your answer be the same if this piece of crap totally unnecessary pipeline was going to run through your backyard? Or your kid's schoolyard?

Yeah, didn't think so.

I suspect they aren't planning on routing Keystone through school yards. As for my backyard, while no one likes having their land taken via eminent domain, it would be much preferable to lose a portion of my land to a pipeline right of way than to, say, the ICC or the Purple Line, or even an electric transmission line, of which we will need many if renewable energy is ever to be a significant option. (Hint: pipelines typically run underground; most of the things your land can be condemned for are above-ground, noisy, or both) But thanks for playing.

They don't take your land by eminent domain for this. They give you money and sign a lease, at least that is what we did with our property in PA.

What Bill McKibben says about the Alberta Tar Sands being the second Saudi Arabia (which raised the earth's temperature by a degree.) Makes me wonder why people just accept this pipeline as inevitable.

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/408218/february-13-2012/bill-mckibben

Anonymous wrote:And would your answer be the same if this piece of crap totally unnecessary pipeline was going to run through your backyard? Or your kid's schoolyard?

Yeah, didn't think so.

I suspect they aren't planning on routing Keystone through school yards. As for my backyard, while no one likes having their land taken via eminent domain, it would be much preferable to lose a portion of my land to a pipeline right of way than to, say, the ICC or the Purple Line, or even an electric transmission line, of which we will need many if renewable energy is ever to be a significant option. (Hint: pipelines typically run underground; most of the things your land can be condemned for are above-ground, noisy, or both) But thanks for playing.

And would your answer be the same if this piece of crap totally unnecessary pipeline was going to run through your backyard? Or your kid's schoolyard?

Yeah, didn't think so.

This kind of oil has a lot more greenhouse gases than regular oil. We don't have to be the market for this stuff. Thanks for posting this!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who signs this petition, and then drives around in a car, is a hypocrite. There are no magic gasoline fairies; either accept that there will be projects like this, or stop accepting the benefits that flow from such projects.

I am OK with the pipeline, but your logic is seriously flawed. Driving a car does not mean you have to support anything and everything that has to do with oil and gas. You can oppose a pipeline, or a style of tanker, or exploration in a certain area, or a method of extraction. That does not mean you oppose oil itself.

The tar sands will be developed whether or not Keystone is built; the other options for producing the tar sands involve far greater environmental risk (tankers) and are a less efficient use of the resource (shipping it to China vs. transport by pipeline to the U.S. for refining). Opposing Keystone may make you feel better, but it contributes to a much worse state of the world if Keystone is stopped.

It's going to get built. Everyone knows this. The issue is to find a specific route that can get approved.

If this was really about oil efficiency, and not politics, the Republicans would not have tied it to the payroll tax cut bill in the first place, nor would they have stuck a deadline for approval that was a mere 3 weeks after the current route was even agreed to by Nebraska, which was the state blocking the pipeline - a state led by a Republican governor and legislature.

For the folks who claim "the pipeline will be built anyway" or "the oil sands will be developed anyway", I suppose that remains to be seen. There is some question as to whether such development will ever be cost effective. Especially if carbon tax or cap and trade goes into effect.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who signs this petition, and then drives around in a car, is a hypocrite. There are no magic gasoline fairies; either accept that there will be projects like this, or stop accepting the benefits that flow from such projects.

I am OK with the pipeline, but your logic is seriously flawed. Driving a car does not mean you have to support anything and everything that has to do with oil and gas. You can oppose a pipeline, or a style of tanker, or exploration in a certain area, or a method of extraction. That does not mean you oppose oil itself.

The tar sands will be developed whether or not Keystone is built; the other options for producing the tar sands involve far greater environmental risk (tankers) and are a less efficient use of the resource (shipping it to China vs. transport by pipeline to the U.S. for refining). Opposing Keystone may make you feel better, but it contributes to a much worse state of the world if Keystone is stopped.

Your choice is to build the pipeline this way, build the pipeline another way, or have the oil transported in ships. You will never stop the oil from being refined. Signing this petitin is a vote for the Exxon Valdez.

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who signs this petition, and then drives around in a car, is a hypocrite. There are no magic gasoline fairies; either accept that there will be projects like this, or stop accepting the benefits that flow from such projects.

I am OK with the pipeline, but your logic is seriously flawed. Driving a car does not mean you have to support anything and everything that has to do with oil and gas. You can oppose a pipeline, or a style of tanker, or exploration in a certain area, or a method of extraction. That does not mean you oppose oil itself.

Anyone who signs this petition, and then drives around in a car, is a hypocrite. There are no magic gasoline fairies; either accept that there will be projects like this, or stop accepting the benefits that flow from such projects.

That pipeline is a travesty.

Thank you for sharing. Petition signed.

The pipeline was always going to be built. We all know this. It's just a matter of the route.

I agree, and will sign. Can we just stop destroying everything in our way? When is enough - enough! Damn fucking Republicans, hate those bastards.

Please sign this petition TODAY if you want to save what is left of our environment.

Taken from 350.org:

Right now, the Senate is considering legislation that would resurrect the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline. President Obama rejected this toxic disaster-in-the-making last month, and now Big Oil's representatives in Congress are trying to force its approval.

It looks like a deal might be coming together in the next 24 hours. Join a huge effort to blitz the Senate with messages opposing Keystone XL - the entire environmental movement is coming together to send over 500,000 messages to Congress in under 24 hours.

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