Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He didn't say that. He said he would compare himself to other presidents except for the greats.

So sorry, he said he would put his accomplishments up against any other president besides the few he mentioned. Putting up against surely does suggest the superiority complex this man carries in every aspect of his life. He may soon suggest that he composed 7 operas in two years, shot 40 under par and had 12 holes in one in one round of golf. He is delusional like the departed head of North Korea. It is just a matter of degree, but Obama has time to catch up.

That does not mean that he said he is the fourth best president. Your headline is a lie.

Anonymous wrote:
Jeff, how is it possible that I lied about what Obama said when I provided not only a transcript but the video?

Someone is trying to change some framework here. YOU.

Did you attend the Eric Holder school of deceit, deception and delay???

Here is how my dictionary defines lie:

lie
noun
an intentionally false statement.

Note, it does not say "an intentionally false statement followed by a link to contradictory information." It does not say "an intentionally false statement followed by other examples of alleged lying."

You lied by writing an intentionally false statement.

You have had several opportunities to correct that intentionally false statement. You have attempted to justify it by claiming it was a headline, attempted to justify it with ad hominem attacks, attempted to justify it by providing examples of other alleged lies, and attempted to justify it by saying that you linked to additional information. Therefore, the only conclusion is that you continue to standby your intentionally false statement. Therefore, you continue to be a liar.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Jeff, Obama had it all his way the first two years and the polls seem to show that the majority feel we are on the wrong path. Whatever he accomplished when he had all the cards apparently had no lasting effect. Obama also lead some to believe that he was going to charm the pants off adversarial foreign leaders. Can you name just ONE that he has won over with his charms?

I understand your desire to change the framework of this discussion. If I had told a blatant lie and been called on it, I would probably want to reframe the issue as well. My argument is not whether Obama was right or wrong. My argument is that you lied about what Obama said.

Jeff, how is it possible that I lied about what Obama said when I provided not only a transcript but the video?

Someone is trying to change some framework here. YOU.

Did you attend the Eric Holder school of deceit, deception and delay???

Anonymous wrote:
Jeff, Obama had it all his way the first two years and the polls seem to show that the majority feel we are on the wrong path. Whatever he accomplished when he had all the cards apparently had no lasting effect. Obama also lead some to believe that he was going to charm the pants off adversarial foreign leaders. Can you name just ONE that he has won over with his charms?

I understand your desire to change the framework of this discussion. If I had told a blatant lie and been called on it, I would probably want to reframe the issue as well. My argument is not whether Obama was right or wrong. My argument is that you lied about what Obama said.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He didn't say that. He said he would compare himself to other presidents except for the greats.

So sorry, he said he would put his accomplishments up against any other president besides the few he mentioned. Putting up against surely does suggest the superiority complex this man carries in every aspect of his life. He may soon suggest that he composed 7 operas in two years, shot 40 under par and had 12 holes in one in one round of golf. He is delusional like the departed head of North Korea. It is just a matter of degree, but Obama has time to catch up.

Again, if Obama is as delusional as you make him out to be, please list the presidents who have greater legislative and foreign policy accomplishments. Why must you rely on ad hominem and false attacks when you claim to have the facts on your side? Obama has not composed an opera and, therefore, has not claimed to have done so. He does have legislative accomplishments.

Jeff, Obama had it all his way the first two years and the polls seem to show that the majority feel we are on the wrong path. Whatever he accomplished when he had all the cards apparently had no lasting effect. Obama also lead some to believe that he was going to charm the pants off adversarial foreign leaders. Can you name just ONE that he has won over with his charms?

10:57 again. Jeff while you are searching for all those foreign leaders Obama has won over could you please find just ONE authority who agrees that Obama Care will drive down the cost of health care?

I hate to disillusion you Jeff but this was a promise made by Obama or maybe a lie, yes a lie that he was fully aware of like Billy Ayars, Rev. Wright, etc.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He didn't say that. He said he would compare himself to other presidents except for the greats.

So sorry, he said he would put his accomplishments up against any other president besides the few he mentioned. Putting up against surely does suggest the superiority complex this man carries in every aspect of his life. He may soon suggest that he composed 7 operas in two years, shot 40 under par and had 12 holes in one in one round of golf. He is delusional like the departed head of North Korea. It is just a matter of degree, but Obama has time to catch up.

Again, if Obama is as delusional as you make him out to be, please list the presidents who have greater legislative and foreign policy accomplishments. Why must you rely on ad hominem and false attacks when you claim to have the facts on your side? Obama has not composed an opera and, therefore, has not claimed to have done so. He does have legislative accomplishments.

Jeff, Obama had it all his way the first two years and the polls seem to show that the majority feel we are on the wrong path. Whatever he accomplished when he had all the cards apparently had no lasting effect. Obama also lead some to believe that he was going to charm the pants off adversarial foreign leaders. Can you name just ONE that he has won over with his charms?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He didn't say that. He said he would compare himself to other presidents except for the greats.

So sorry, he said he would put his accomplishments up against any other president besides the few he mentioned. Putting up against surely does suggest the superiority complex this man carries in every aspect of his life. He may soon suggest that he composed 7 operas in two years, shot 40 under par and had 12 holes in one in one round of golf. He is delusional like the departed head of North Korea. It is just a matter of degree, but Obama has time to catch up.

Again, if Obama is as delusional as you make him out to be, please list the presidents who have greater legislative and foreign policy accomplishments. Why must you rely on ad hominem and false attacks when you claim to have the facts on your side? Obama has not composed an opera and, therefore, has not claimed to have done so. He does have legislative accomplishments.

Anonymous wrote:
Jeff, you silly goose of course you are commenting on the interview. It is the topic of this thread. The fact is that you are lost in attempting to defend Obama's laughable yet sad commentary and further lost trying to defend 60 Minutes editing to minimize the exhibition of Obama's delusional state of mind.

Fine, I condemn 60 Minutes for editing out that portion of the interview. This does nothing to change the fact that you lied about what Obama said. If you think Obama is delusional, please list presidents beyond those he mentioned who had greater legislative or foreign policy accomplishments. Prove that you can oppose Obama with more than lies.

Anonymous wrote:
Jeff, I realize that you are grasping wildly when you assert that a lie has been told. FYI a headline is a headline. Headlines are followed by more information, details. For you to suggest that a lie has been told when the headline is followed by more detail and the idiots exact words just shows what an ass you can be.

Technically, your lie was contained in the "subject" of your post. The body contained nothing to elaborate on the subject. Your rationalization that a headline -- or a subject for that matter -- can be totally dishonest further demonstrates your lack of commitment to the truth. You told a lie. Simple as that.

Anonymous wrote:He didn't say that. He said he would compare himself to other presidents except for the greats.

So sorry, he said he would put his accomplishments up against any other president besides the few he mentioned. Putting up against surely does suggest the superiority complex this man carries in every aspect of his life. He may soon suggest that he composed 7 operas in two years, shot 40 under par and had 12 holes in one in one round of golf. He is delusional like the departed head of North Korea. It is just a matter of degree, but Obama has time to catch up.

He didn't say that. He said he would compare himself to other presidents except for the greats.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Jeff, you are so so sensitive. If this blather of Obama was so on target, why did it get edited out of the broadcast?

I am not commenting on the interview which I did not watch. i am commenting on your posting a demonstrable lie.

Anonymous wrote:If you would like to examine lies, you could start with "Bill Ayars is JUST A GUY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD." My understanding is that George was almost fired for asking that question; and as you know, it was never asked again. You love liars. Just admit it.

You are welcome to examine any lie that you wish to examine. However, the existence of other lies does not justify your own lie. You are only further discrediting yourself.

Jeff, you silly goose of course you are commenting on the interview. It is the topic of this thread. The fact is that you are lost in attempting to defend Obama's laughable yet sad commentary and further lost trying to defend 60 Minutes editing to minimize the exhibition of Obama's delusional state of mind.

Jeff, I realize that you are grasping wildly when you assert that a lie has been told. FYI a headline is a headline. Headlines are followed by more information, details. For you to suggest that a lie has been told when the headline is followed by more detail and the idiots exact words just shows what an ass you can be.

Anonymous wrote:
Jeff, you are so so sensitive. If this blather of Obama was so on target, why did it get edited out of the broadcast?

I am not commenting on the interview which I did not watch. i am commenting on your posting a demonstrable lie.

Anonymous wrote:If you would like to examine lies, you could start with "Bill Ayars is JUST A GUY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD." My understanding is that George was almost fired for asking that question; and as you know, it was never asked again. You love liars. Just admit it.

You are welcome to examine any lie that you wish to examine. However, the existence of other lies does not justify your own lie. You are only further discrediting yourself.

jsteele wrote:You are a liar. Here is what Obama actually said:

"I would put our legislative and foreign policy accomplishments in our first two years against any president — with the possible exceptions of Johnson, F.D.R., and Lincoln — just in terms of what we've gotten done in modern history"

He specifically limits his claims to legislative and foreign policy accomplishments. There is more to being "the best" or even "4th best" than those two areas. For instance, Obama's achievements in economic policy are not notable and in the area of civil liberties he has actually set us back.

If you want to argue that there are presidents beyond those mentioned by Obama who have had greater legislative or foreign policy accomplishments, make the argument. But, don't come in here telling outright lies.

Jeff, you are so so sensitive. If this blather of Obama was so on target, why did it get edited out of the broadcast?

If you would like to examine lies, you could start with "Bill Ayars is JUST A GUY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD." My understanding is that George was almost fired for asking that question; and as you know, it was never asked again. You love liars. Just admit it.

You are a liar. Here is what Obama actually said:

"I would put our legislative and foreign policy accomplishments in our first two years against any president — with the possible exceptions of Johnson, F.D.R., and Lincoln — just in terms of what we've gotten done in modern history"

He specifically limits his claims to legislative and foreign policy accomplishments. There is more to being "the best" or even "4th best" than those two areas. For instance, Obama's achievements in economic policy are not notable and in the area of civil liberties he has actually set us back.

If you want to argue that there are presidents beyond those mentioned by Obama who have had greater legislative or foreign policy accomplishments, make the argument. But, don't come in here telling outright lies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs4JnY1nCj4

Why did 60 minutes edit this out of their broadcast?

Were they rolling on the floor too?