Anonymous
Post 12/15/2011 11:14     Subject: Earning vs. Entitlement
I remember my first boss telling me I needed to "pay my dues" -- covering the front desk at lunch, for example, and doing crap work that no one else had to do. I hated it, but I think I understood it better than young people today who seem to really think *I* am out of line for expecting them just to pay attention in meetings (iPhones down!).

This extends to those who think they are entitled to a 4BR/3BA house with full updates at age 27. It's like they expect to start out where their parents ended up.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2011 09:46     Subject: Earning vs. Entitlement
Anonymous wrote:The missing component to the "putting in your time" conversation is that a new grad cannot and should not expect to receive the same wages as someone who has actual EXPERIENCE to go along with the diploma. That is where putting in your time comes into play and business fact the new grads do not understand. Feeling entitled is not the same as fully qualified.


Yes - putting in time means, to my understanding, putting in years and years of hard work to invest in YOURSELF - to acquire skills that merit a healthy-size paycheck.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2011 09:16     Subject: Earning vs. Entitlement
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It seems no one knows the difference here. I know plenty of people who still take money from their elderly relatives, with no guilt. I find that odd behavior for a grown adult, but that is just me.

There are so many who are absolutely dying to know how who got what, but not willing to put in the blood sweat and tears (and years!) to actually earn it. I wonder if this is attributed the area or the generation, or both. I don't think easy money was such fixation in years past, at least I hope not. How embarrassing.


The whole "putting in your time" is an old concept that is useless in today's business environment. In our environment regardless of age or "time" we compensate based on your output and value. This is one of the big cultural changes in our society. The younger generation values productivity and profits over "putting in your time". We also have witnessed first hand twice, .com crash, 2008 crash where you can be canned from a company and don't expect to be taken care of. The older generation believed that a large company would take care of you and you could retire from it etc...


The younger generation doesn't understand that there's still value in certain professions to "putting in your time." No 25 year old could possibly be as good at my job as I am, because my job requires judgment and life experience, not pulling all nighters.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2011 18:46     Subject: Earning vs. Entitlement
What about family money? There are many with family money who haven't the first idea about actually earning something. I would feel like a failure if I were a billionaire and my kids were ungrateful, entitled bumps on the log of society. I have seen it a couple of times in the D.C. area, and it is really, really sad. For both the children and the parents. Sure they went to your alma mater, but BFD if they don't contribute to society!
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2011 18:44     Subject: Earning vs. Entitlement
17:52 - THIS. Putting in your time does not have to refer to one company, but rather, multiple companies, actual experiences, and years of graduate/professional schooling beyond undergrad.

"Feeling entitled is not the same as fully qualified". - EXACTLY.

I want to be a rocket scientist, but my sheer will is not going to make me a rocket scientist unless I meet certain QUALIFICATIONS. What a concept.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2011 17:52     Subject: Earning vs. Entitlement
The missing component to the "putting in your time" conversation is that a new grad cannot and should not expect to receive the same wages as someone who has actual EXPERIENCE to go along with the diploma. That is where putting in your time comes into play and business fact the new grads do not understand. Feeling entitled is not the same as fully qualified.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2011 17:30     Subject: Earning vs. Entitlement
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It seems no one knows the difference here. I know plenty of people who still take money from their elderly relatives, with no guilt. I find that odd behavior for a grown adult, but that is just me.

There are so many who are absolutely dying to know how who got what, but not willing to put in the blood sweat and tears (and years!) to actually earn it. I wonder if this is attributed the area or the generation, or both. I don't think easy money was such fixation in years past, at least I hope not. How embarrassing.


The whole "putting in your time" is an old concept that is useless in today's business environment. In our environment regardless of age or "time" we compensate based on your output and value. This is one of the big cultural changes in our society. The younger generation values productivity and profits over "putting in your time". We also have witnessed first hand twice, .com crash, 2008 crash where you can be canned from a company and don't expect to be taken care of. The older generation believed that a large company would take care of you and you could retire from it etc...


Absolutely. Putting in time does not equal value in the business world. To me, putting in time to get promotions is the same kind of things that students should get an A for effort.

The amount of time you put into a place/project/idea does not matter. The VALUE that you add to the place/time/project is what matters.

And the PPs raises the excellent point that companies often no longer value the time employees put in. They can be fired, at will, for economic reasons. After putting in years and year.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2011 16:45     Subject: Earning vs. Entitlement
Anonymous wrote:It seems no one knows the difference here. I know plenty of people who still take money from their elderly relatives, with no guilt. I find that odd behavior for a grown adult, but that is just me.

There are so many who are absolutely dying to know how who got what, but not willing to put in the blood sweat and tears (and years!) to actually earn it. I wonder if this is attributed the area or the generation, or both. I don't think easy money was such fixation in years past, at least I hope not. How embarrassing.


The whole "putting in your time" is an old concept that is useless in today's business environment. In our environment regardless of age or "time" we compensate based on your output and value. This is one of the big cultural changes in our society. The younger generation values productivity and profits over "putting in your time". We also have witnessed first hand twice, .com crash, 2008 crash where you can be canned from a company and don't expect to be taken care of. The older generation believed that a large company would take care of you and you could retire from it etc...
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2011 16:35     Subject: Earning vs. Entitlement
Anonymous wrote:s/o from Baby Boomer thread. There is earning what you have and there are those who feel entitled to what they think the next guy has. The latter never ever has the full picture. I'm just tired of smug. Carry on.


An even more important distinction is between those who realize how lucky they are for what they have, and those who think their successes are solely because of what an extra special, deserving individual they are. The former are adults, the latter children.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2011 16:13     Subject: Earning vs. Entitlement
It seems no one knows the difference here. I know plenty of people who still take money from their elderly relatives, with no guilt. I find that odd behavior for a grown adult, but that is just me.

There are so many who are absolutely dying to know how who got what, but not willing to put in the blood sweat and tears (and years!) to actually earn it. I wonder if this is attributed the area or the generation, or both. I don't think easy money was such fixation in years past, at least I hope not. How embarrassing.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2011 14:43     Subject: Earning vs. Entitlement
s/o from Baby Boomer thread. There is earning what you have and there are those who feel entitled to what they think the next guy has. The latter never ever has the full picture. I'm just tired of smug. Carry on.