Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15:42...glad kids aren't allowed on here...or are they?....it's unfortunate that we live in a society where some ADULTS don't get their act together and the kids have to suffer...good luck with fixing that.

Those ADULTS were kids at one point. And the current set of kids are going to be...wait for it...ADULTS too at some point.

The fact that you can't seem to wrap your head around the concept says a lot more about you than it does about anything else. And yes, while we can't fix the broken adults, the fact that we don't even try to help the kids is a pretty sad indictment of society at large.

I don't know if the people objecting to your statement object to the substance or the profanity...

Anonymous wrote:15:42...glad kids aren't allowed on here...or are they?....it's unfortunate that we live in a society where some ADULTS don't get their act together and the kids have to suffer...good luck with fixing that.

Those ADULTS were kids at one point. And the current set of kids are going to be...wait for it...ADULTS too at some point.

The fact that you can't seem to wrap your head around the concept says a lot more about you than it does about anything else. And yes, while we can't fix the broken adults, the fact that we don't even try to help the kids is a pretty sad indictment of society at large.

15:51 I must agree I thought I was mis-reading 15:42 post. I want to say to that poster face-to-face your point is????

15:42...glad kids aren't allowed on here...or are they?....it's unfortunate that we live in a society where some ADULTS don't get their act together and the kids have to suffer...good luck with fixing that.

Wow some people just take a post and turn it around. I believe certified and highly effective teachers should only be what taxes should be paying for...I guess the OP is trying to say that it's more to a teachers quality.... and that is parent involvement...what's so wrong with that idea. And I beleive that's the problem east of the river.

The problem is that this essentially absolves the greater society from any responsibility for fixing the problem. Which is why we have such shitty outcomes in the first place.

You've got kids who are going to school, who are being raised by fucked up parents who were raised in abject poverty by parents who were fucked up and raised in abject poverty by parents who were fucked up and raised in abject poverty...

Many have no hope of ever getting an education, or a decent job, or even learning life-skills that might allow them to raise their own kids to be anything but massive failures.

And frankly, that's every bit as much your fault as it is theirs.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In that case will we now see it's not just the teachers teaching that will get his or her scores up but the assistance of an active parent. Then again some parents aren't able to help their children with homework etc. so what happens then. I myself remember a little Algebra etc. but still pay for a tutor for my child. What I'm trying to say is that it's more to just getting a highly effective teacher in a low perfoming neighborhood, who knows what goes on in a child home, which could effect their learning.

Given that you seem to think teacher quality doesn't make much of a difference, why on Earth are we bothering to get certified teachers in these inner city schools, anyway? Why not just save some cash, and pick up a bus full of "teachers" every morning from in front of the Home Depot?

Teacher quality makes a difference, and teachers know they can be more successful with kids who have help at home.

...or with kids who are from wealthy families. Or kids whose mother has a high level of educational attainment. All this is well-known. I'm just puzzled that the counter-argument is inevitably "Sure we can try to get effective teachers into these struggling schools, but that will only have a relatively small impact compared with "Solving Entrenched Social Problem A".

Personally, I'd like to see a mandatory national minimum wage of $50k, as that would do more than any other thing to improve educational outcomes (along with everything else). Maybe someday that will happen. Maybe it won't. But DCPS will not be solving that particular set of problems.

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happens to the highly effective teacher once she/he doesn't get those high remarks/scores that she received before....what will the outcome be then.

I believe the bill includes stipulations that teachers that take this deal get to maintain their rating.

If so, what about the teachers already at those schools -- is the assumption that they are inherently inferior to the ward 3 teachers and therefore should be rated according to a different standard.

Maybe K Brown should switch some of the effective teachers in ward 8 to ward three and see what happens.

Have ever noticed that when the cable company offers a cut-rate deal, it's only for new customers? Existing customers don't get the price break. I guess this is the same sort of deal. If you are already a highly effective teacher in an east of the river school, your reward is that you get to continue being a highly effective teacher in an east of the river school. But, if you are a highly effective teacher west of the river, you can choose to get bonuses and protection from IMPACT in exchange for teaching east of the river.

It will be interesting to see how west of the river parents react to the migration of their best teachers to east of the river.

Wow some people just take a post and turn it around. I believe certified and highly effective teachers should only be what taxes should be paying for...I guess the OP is trying to say that it's more to a teachers quality.... and that is parent involvement...what's so wrong with that idea. And I beleive that's the problem east of the river.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happens to the highly effective teacher once she/he doesn't get those high remarks/scores that she received before....what will the outcome be then.

I believe the bill includes stipulations that teachers that take this deal get to maintain their rating.

If so, what about the teachers already at those schools -- is the assumption that they are inherently inferior to the ward 3 teachers and therefore should be rated according to a different standard.

Maybe K Brown should switch some of the effective teachers in ward 8 to ward three and see what happens.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In that case will we now see it's not just the teachers teaching that will get his or her scores up but the assistance of an active parent. Then again some parents aren't able to help their children with homework etc. so what happens then. I myself remember a little Algebra etc. but still pay for a tutor for my child. What I'm trying to say is that it's more to just getting a highly effective teacher in a low perfoming neighborhood, who knows what goes on in a child home, which could effect their learning.

Given that you seem to think teacher quality doesn't make much of a difference, why on Earth are we bothering to get certified teachers in these inner city schools, anyway? Why not just save some cash, and pick up a bus full of "teachers" every morning from in front of the Home Depot?

Teacher quality makes a difference, and teachers know they can be more successful with kids who have help at home.

Anonymous wrote:In that case will we now see it's not just the teachers teaching that will get his or her scores up but the assistance of an active parent. Then again some parents aren't able to help their children with homework etc. so what happens then. I myself remember a little Algebra etc. but still pay for a tutor for my child. What I'm trying to say is that it's more to just getting a highly effective teacher in a low perfoming neighborhood, who knows what goes on in a child home, which could effect their learning.

Given that you seem to think teacher quality doesn't make much of a difference, why on Earth are we bothering to get certified teachers in these inner city schools, anyway? Why not just save some cash, and pick up a bus full of "teachers" every morning from in front of the Home Depot?

Anonymous wrote:In that case will we now see it's not just the teachers teaching that will get his or her scores up but the assistance of an active parent. Then again some parents aren't able to help their children with homework etc. so what happens then. I myself remember a little Algebra etc. but still pay for a tutor for my child. What I'm trying to say is that it's more to just getting a highly effective teacher in a low perfoming neighborhood, who knows what goes on in a child home, which could effect their learning.

I agree with you that externalities play a critical role. At the same time, I wouldn't just write these kids off. Giving them good teachers is better than not giving them good teachers. But, if you are waiting for Kwame Brown to start blaming voters for their children's poor educations, I wouldn't hold your breadth.

In that case will we now see it's not just the teachers teaching that will get his or her scores up but the assistance of an active parent. Then again some parents aren't able to help their children with homework etc. so what happens then. I myself remember a little Algebra etc. but still pay for a tutor for my child. What I'm trying to say is that it's more to just getting a highly effective teacher in a low perfoming neighborhood, who knows what goes on in a child home, which could effect their learning.

Anonymous wrote:What happens to the highly effective teacher once she/he doesn't get those high remarks/scores that she received before....what will the outcome be then.

I believe the bill includes stipulations that teachers that take this deal get to maintain their rating.

When will these council members get it, it's not solely a teachers teaching that will get a child to perform well. It helps, but once that child gets home who is going to help them with their homework, projects, study for test. If the parents aren't reinforcing what their child learned in school that day how can they succeed. This idea is a waste of tax dollars and is stupid. What happens to the highly effective teacher once she/he doesn't get those high remarks/scores that she received before....what will the outcome be then.