Anonymous wrote:

We rich people (me too) are right to acknowledge our hard work. And it is offensive to have that hard work dismissed.

But we need to show some humility.

The main point that the OP is making is that is that Obama's policies are bad for the economy and are not helping. What does humility have to do with anything?

Let me guess, it’s that the Republicans have no humility. They are heartless and greedy while the democrats care and want things to be fair for everybody.

Well the bigest problem with this arugment is that the democrat’s policies don't work and it is getting harder and harder to pretend that they ever will.

Obama is not making things more fair he is doing the opposite. Minorities are worse off than ever. The economy is in horrible shape everywhere in the country but here in the DC area. Ask yourself why, unemployment here in the suburbs of DC is 4% while in the rest of the country it is over 9%. Ask yourself why the three wealthiest counties in the US are the City of Falls Church, Loudoun and Fairfax. Ask yourself why your rich neighbors all drive BMWs and Mercedes while the rest of the country can't afford to pay for gas. Unions, government employees and crony businesses like Solyandra, they are the only ones benefiting from Obama.

Go look in the mirror and then lecture us all about humility.

No, I was speaking to people like me - wealthy people. We need humility. Nice how you fixated on the thing you don't have, and ignored the comment I made in defense of the other side.

Anonymous wrote:

Bullshit straw man argument. Who are these "many" in the Dem leadership starting class warfare?

This "class warfare" BS is just a combination of two standard Faux tactics: 1) redefining a common term; 2) declaring the powerful victims of imaginary attacks.

What is a Faux tactic anyway? I assume the poster means Fox News. Pretty ironic posting actually, complaining about republicans generalizing and using straw man arguments and then in the same breath implying that they have all been brainwashed by Faux News.

Why the left seems so convinced that anyone right of center spends all of their free time watching Fox News and listening to Rush has always been a mystery to me.

Well there has to be some explanation as to how they can hold so many ideas with no basis in fact. I suppose one could get the same nonsense they peddle to the rubes on Rush's show and on the "Faux Nooz TeeVee Channel" from fancy magazines like Commentary, the WSJ editorial page, or whatever the fuck Bill Kristol's doing nowadays.

Anonymous wrote:

Bullshit straw man argument. Who are these "many" in the Dem leadership starting class warfare?

This "class warfare" BS is just a combination of two standard Faux tactics: 1) redefining a common term; 2) declaring the powerful victims of imaginary attacks.

What is a Faux tactic anyway? I assume the poster means Fox News. Pretty ironic posting actually, complaining about republicans generalizing and using straw man arguments and then in the same breath implying that they have all been brainwashed by Faux News.

Why the left seems so convinced that anyone right of center spends all of their free time watching Fox News and listening to Rush has always been a mystery to me.

I don't think you understand what a straw man argument is.

I didn't suggest that you were brainwashed. I do suggest that you wouldn't be using that phrase - and certainly not in this context - if News Corp wasn't.

Anonymous wrote:

Bullshit straw man argument. Who are these "many" in the Dem leadership starting class warfare?

This "class warfare" BS is just a combination of two standard Faux tactics: 1) redefining a common term; 2) declaring the powerful victims of imaginary attacks.

What is a Faux tactic anyway? I assume the poster means Fox News. Pretty ironic posting actually, complaining about republicans generalizing and using straw man arguments and then in the same breath implying that they have all been brainwashed by Faux News.

Why the left seems so convinced that anyone right of center spends all of their free time watching Fox News and listening to Rush has always been a mystery to me.

Not sure "generalizing" is the word you want. There's a difference between saying "all Republicans are this" or "all Democrats are that" and saying "this specific 'news' outlet has been demonstrated to be an outlet for naked GOP propaganda, and that it's making its viewers measurably stupider".

Besides, people who regularly watch Fox News aren't "brainwashed". They're just incredibly poorly informed. Mission accomplished.

We rich people (me too) are right to acknowledge our hard work. And it is offensive to have that hard work dismissed.

But we need to show some humility.

The main point that the OP is making is that is that Obama's policies are bad for the economy and are not helping. What does humility have to do with anything?

Let me guess, it’s that the Republicans have no humility. They are heartless and greedy while the democrats care and want things to be fair for everybody.

Well the bigest problem with this arugment is that the democrat’s policies don't work and it is getting harder and harder to pretend that they ever will.

Obama is not making things more fair he is doing the opposite. Minorities are worse off than ever. The economy is in horrible shape everywhere in the country but here in the DC area. Ask yourself why, unemployment here in the suburbs of DC is 4% while in the rest of the country it is over 9%. Ask yourself why the three wealthiest counties in the US are the City of Falls Church, Loudoun and Fairfax. Ask yourself why your rich neighbors all drive BMWs and Mercedes while the rest of the country can't afford to pay for gas. Unions, government employees and crony businesses like Solyandra, they are the only ones benefiting from Obama.

Go look in the mirror and then lecture us all about humility.

Anonymous wrote:http://www.tedstake.com/2011/09/25/class-warfare-yuck/

From a liberal democrat fundraiser for Obama.

hot damn! That is ONE sexy dude.

Bullshit straw man argument. Who are these "many" in the Dem leadership starting class warfare?

This "class warfare" BS is just a combination of two standard Faux tactics: 1) redefining a common term; 2) declaring the powerful victims of imaginary attacks.

What is a Faux tactic anyway? I assume the poster means Fox News. Pretty ironic posting actually, complaining about republicans generalizing and using straw man arguments and then in the same breath implying that they have all been brainwashed by Faux News.

Why the left seems so convinced that anyone right of center spends all of their free time watching Fox News and listening to Rush has always been a mystery to me.

Ted wrote quite a lot. What he was very brief was two words: "good luck". Ted was lucky enough to get to go to Georgetown. Even with good grades student loans, a lot of people could never go there. From there, Ted had to good fortune to sell his company to AOL when AOL was a company of a few hundred people. I don't know of a single thing that AOL ever used of his business, from hybrid online/CD offers, to demand fax to that VSAT thing.

Don't get me wrong, he is a smart guy and was a hard worker back then. BUT as with most people, wealth is much a matter of luck. Whether you were lucky enough to be born in a family that could pay for good schools or you got the right job, or whether you were just lucky enough to enter the workforce in the 90's instead of the post 9/11 economy, much depends on luck. If you don't believe me, try to count the number of repeat entrepreneurs in this world. There aren't many repeat successes, except maybe the ones rich enough to buy their way to their second success.

We rich people (me too) are right to acknowledge our hard work. And it is offensive to have that hard work dismissed.

But we need to show some humility. There are lots of hard working, smart people who never get where we did, and it's not because of poor choices. It is because of a bad starting point and lack of good luck.

The full Hoffa quote was "Everybody here's got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let's take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong!"

In context it's not necessarily violent imagery at all-- sounds more like kicking them out of office by democratic means than anything these. I know Faux never told you the part about "everybody here's got to vote" but that doesn't mean he didn't say it.

Anonymous wrote:

This "class warfare" BS is just a combination of two standard Faux tactics: 1) redefining a common term; 2) declaring the powerful victims of imaginary attacks.

Nope, none of that going on on the left besides those pesky tea party types have just hijacked the term and don't know what it really means anyway.


Definition: Class war or class warfare refers to a class conflict, or tensions between members of different social classes

You realize that you just proved my point, right? When did "tensions" become "warfare?" And any "tension" qualifies? To the Reps, if a poor person says, "Nice car," they're inciting class warfare.

Now let's look at your cites.

First let's note the fairly important point that you can only refer to statements, not actual actions. Obama is a class warrior like Ralph Kramden was a tycoon.*

Anonymous wrote:Obama to Bankers: I’m Standing ‘Between You and the Pitchforks’

The alleged quote is, "My administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks.”

April 09. Pretty ridiculous to pull that out, especially as he did nothing but help bankers since then. Isn't that part of the TP's complaint - screwing Joe Sixpack for the NY financial elite, etc. (with which I happen to agree)?

And there's no reason we would be surprised by his actions - in that statement, he's taking their side. He was warning them that the rabble - not him - were going to get them if they didn't help him protect them. Which he then did - the ratio of million-dollar bonuses to criminal convictions would be...let's see...infinity.

Anonymous wrote:Obama to Latinos: we're gonna punish our enemies and we're gonna reward our friends ("ok, this time it is probably more about race than class...")

How is it either? He called on them to vote their interests - punish "them" in the voting booth. He referred to the election in the same sentence. Where's the warfare?

Anonymous wrote:Wasserman Schultz: “We must expose the stark difference between the Democrats fighting for the middle class and Republicans fighting for the elite and the ultra-wealthy.”

Ah. That must be the whole "tension" thing. Shhh! - don't tell them that they're being screwed - that's inciting tensio...I mean, WARFARE! Funny how it hasn't been class warfare as the Reps have disparaged "elites" for decades.

Anonymous wrote:Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"

You realize that he's not a Dem politician, right? He's someone who wants much more from the Dems than he will ever get.

I certainly acknowledge the violent imagery there. Of course, he was referring to the Tea Party, not to members of an economic class, according to your boys: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/05/hoffa-on-tea-party-take-these-sons-bitches-out/

And on the topic of violent imagery, does this mean that we agree that things like Palin's website incite gun violence?


*Yeah, I know that sucked, but I'm in a rush.

This "class warfare" BS is just a combination of two standard Faux tactics: 1) redefining a common term; 2) declaring the powerful victims of imaginary attacks.

Nope, none of that going on on the left besides those pesky tea party types have just hijacked the term and don't know what it really means anyway.


Definition: Class war or class warfare refers to a class conflict, or tensions between members of different social classes


Obama to Bankers: I’m Standing ‘Between You and the Pitchforks’

Obama to Latinos: we're gonna punish our enemies and we're gonna reward our friends ("ok, this time it is probably more about race than class...")

Wasserman Schultz: “We must expose the stark difference between the Democrats fighting for the middle class and Republicans fighting for the elite and the ultra-wealthy.”

Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"

and so on...

Given that we've seen the marginal tax rates on the top 1/2 of 1% fall to nothing post WWII, I'd say, 'yes' there's been some class warfare going on. As usual, the rich one.

Bullshit straw man argument. Who are these "many" in the Dem leadership starting class warfare?

This "class warfare" BS is just a combination of two standard Faux tactics: 1) redefining a common term; 2) declaring the powerful victims of imaginary attacks.

Very good!

http://www.tedstake.com/2011/09/25/class-warfare-yuck/

From a liberal democrat fundraiser for Obama.