jsteele
Post 09/25/2011 21:26     Subject: Paging Governor Christie -- Cain wins in Florida
Anonymous wrote:
This silly point is beneath you, Mr. Steele. Cain was the CEO of a business and was on the board of the Kansas City federal reserve. (At least if Wikipedia is not lying to me.) Obama's experience before being President was nowhere close to as significant. Cain is vastly more prepared than Obama was.


Exactly. He has absolutely no political experience. As much as Republicans gush about running government as a business, it doesn't work like that. CEOs say "jump" and everyone jumps. The President can say "jump", but iCongress may not allocate funds or the Supreme Court may say its unconstitutional. That reality is outside Cain's experience. Let alone the nuts and bolts of politics of which he probably has little to no grasp.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2011 21:23     Subject: Paging Governor Christie -- Cain wins in Florida
Most people these days are not enamored with Fed Board members.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2011 21:00     Subject: Paging Governor Christie -- Cain wins in Florida
jsteele wrote:
takoma wrote:
I won't argue that, and to be fair to him, he has not been in politics before, so the fact that he is shaky on concepts like religious freedom for Muslims is more understandable from him than from either of them. I think he has caught on, and is unlikely to make that kind of mistake again. My point is just that he may now have reached a place where he won't be able to get away with such mistakes, so he had better buckle down and do some studying.


With regard to Cain's statement about Muslims, he eventually met with American Muslims and -- to his credit -- listened to what they had to say. Also, to his credit, he admitted making mistakes in his statements. It is very rare to hear any politician admit to being wrong. I don't expect Cain to be anything more than a flash in the pan. The primary process is not for amateurs and once real voting starts, he will disappear from the scene. But, if he were to become a serious contender, I'd look forward to hearing all of those who shriek endlessly about Obama's lack of experience being a problem reconcile Cain's lack of even basic experience in politics.



This silly point is beneath you, Mr. Steele. Cain was the CEO of a business and was on the board of the Kansas City federal reserve. (At least if Wikipedia is not lying to me.) Obama's experience before being President was nowhere close to as significant. Cain is vastly more prepared than Obama was.
jsteele
Post 09/25/2011 19:45     Subject: Paging Governor Christie -- Cain wins in Florida
takoma wrote:
I won't argue that, and to be fair to him, he has not been in politics before, so the fact that he is shaky on concepts like religious freedom for Muslims is more understandable from him than from either of them. I think he has caught on, and is unlikely to make that kind of mistake again. My point is just that he may now have reached a place where he won't be able to get away with such mistakes, so he had better buckle down and do some studying.


With regard to Cain's statement about Muslims, he eventually met with American Muslims and -- to his credit -- listened to what they had to say. Also, to his credit, he admitted making mistakes in his statements. It is very rare to hear any politician admit to being wrong. I don't expect Cain to be anything more than a flash in the pan. The primary process is not for amateurs and once real voting starts, he will disappear from the scene. But, if he were to become a serious contender, I'd look forward to hearing all of those who shriek endlessly about Obama's lack of experience being a problem reconcile Cain's lack of even basic experience in politics.

takoma
Post 09/25/2011 19:26     Subject: Paging Governor Christie -- Cain wins in Florida
Anonymous wrote:
takoma wrote:Cain shares a problem with Palin and Bachmann. They all think everything is simple and can be solved by their "common sense" approach. I realize there are a few of those reading this who agree, and believe that those in charge are just stupid people who don't see the obvious. Perhaps they're right.

But there is also the alternate hypothesis that the problems are too complex for even smart people to always see the right answers. Or maybe even that there are no right answers.

I am am one who believes that those who think it's all simple believe they know all the answers because their goal is not actually to solve the real problems that face us, but to make decisions that will move the country in the direction they wish to go. Their answers are the "solutions" no matter what the problems are. (For example, Bush tax cuts to solve budget surplus or budget deficit.)


Guess you could call me a moderate Republican voter. Herman Cain may or may not be electable at this time, but he's got a LOT more on the ball than Palin and Bachmann. Very personable, relates to people well, a very good listener who doesn't usually get "rattled"," comes across as anything but flighty, and has been a successful businessman. Doesn't grope for words like Palin and Bachman.

I won't argue that, and to be fair to him, he has not been in politics before, so the fact that he is shaky on concepts like religious freedom for Muslims is more understandable from him than from either of them. I think he has caught on, and is unlikely to make that kind of mistake again. My point is just that he may now have reached a place where he won't be able to get away with such mistakes, so he had better buckle down and do some studying.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2011 18:56     Subject: Paging Governor Christie -- Cain wins in Florida
takoma wrote:Cain shares a problem with Palin and Bachmann. They all think everything is simple and can be solved by their "common sense" approach. I realize there are a few of those reading this who agree, and believe that those in charge are just stupid people who don't see the obvious. Perhaps they're right.

But there is also the alternate hypothesis that the problems are too complex for even smart people to always see the right answers. Or maybe even that there are no right answers.

I am am one who believes that those who think it's all simple believe they know all the answers because their goal is not actually to solve the real problems that face us, but to make decisions that will move the country in the direction they wish to go. Their answers are the "solutions" no matter what the problems are. (For example, Bush tax cuts to solve budget surplus or budget deficit.)


Guess you could call me a moderate Republican voter. Herman Cain may or may not be electable at this time, but he's got a LOT more on the ball than Palin and Bachmann. Very personable, relates to people well, a very good listener who doesn't usually get "rattled"," comes across as anything but flighty, and has been a successful businessman. Doesn't grope for words like Palin and Bachman.
takoma
Post 09/25/2011 18:34     Subject: Paging Governor Christie -- Cain wins in Florida
Cain shares a problem with Palin and Bachmann. They all think everything is simple and can be solved by their "common sense" approach. I realize there are a few of those reading this who agree, and believe that those in charge are just stupid people who don't see the obvious. Perhaps they're right.

But there is also the alternate hypothesis that the problems are too complex for even smart people to always see the right answers. Or maybe even that there are no right answers.

I am am one who believes that those who think it's all simple believe they know all the answers because their goal is not actually to solve the real problems that face us, but to make decisions that will move the country in the direction they wish to go. Their answers are the "solutions" no matter what the problems are. (For example, Bush tax cuts to solve budget surplus or budget deficit.)
jsteele
Post 09/25/2011 17:26     Subject: Paging Governor Christie -- Cain wins in Florida
Anonymous wrote:You shouldn't talk trash about this Mr. Steele. Perry blowing up is absolutely the best thing that could happen to the Republicans. That will force them to nominate the boring-but-electable Romney, whom Team Obama has no answer for, rather than the even-worse-Bush-clone Perry, who Obama might be able to beat because no one wants the third-term of G.W. Bush.

As for me, I'm now intrigued by Cain. Would be interesting to see him get more coverage. I know zero about him, but the resume looks interesting. Probably there is some fatal flaw to him, though.



As a Democrat, I've had precious few opportunities to talk trash. I'm not letting this one pass. Cain's fatal flaw is his advocacy of the "Chilean model" for social security. That is mandated private retirement accounts. If people are upset about healthcare mandates, wait until they hear about retirement fund mandates.
takoma
Post 09/25/2011 17:05     Subject: Paging Governor Christie -- Cain wins in Florida
A few gaffes derailed front-runner Perry. Lucky for Mr. Cain, he was not a top-tier candidate when he was advocating the right of towns to bar mosques, talking about his reluctance to allow Muslims into a Cain administration, or limiting legislation to three pages. I think he should hesitate about pushing the idea that Florida puts him in the top tier; such nonsense is viewed differently when the guy spouting it is seen as a realistic presidential possibility.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2011 16:29     Subject: Paging Governor Christie -- Cain wins in Florida
You shouldn't talk trash about this Mr. Steele. Perry blowing up is absolutely the best thing that could happen to the Republicans. That will force them to nominate the boring-but-electable Romney, whom Team Obama has no answer for, rather than the even-worse-Bush-clone Perry, who Obama might be able to beat because no one wants the third-term of G.W. Bush.

As for me, I'm now intrigued by Cain. Would be interesting to see him get more coverage. I know zero about him, but the resume looks interesting. Probably there is some fatal flaw to him, though.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2011 00:07     Subject: Paging Governor Christie -- Cain wins in Florida
Anonymous wrote:I love Herman Cain, I am so excited!!


He makes me smile inside, too! I wonder where he came up with that 9.99 plan? Can I get that with an order of buffalo chicken kickers?

Anonymous
Post 09/24/2011 23:07     Subject: Paging Governor Christie -- Cain wins in Florida
I love Herman Cain, I am so excited!!
Anonymous
Post 09/24/2011 23:05     Subject: Paging Governor Christie -- Cain wins in Florida
takoma wrote:Perry not only lost, but got only about 40% of Cain's vote, and barely beat Romney, who was not even signed up! What's Texan for "toast"?


In this case? Perrito Tostado?

I guess the Florida retirees decided to take Perry at his word on Social Security.

takoma
Post 09/24/2011 22:59     Subject: Paging Governor Christie -- Cain wins in Florida
Perry not only lost, but got only about 40% of Cain's vote, and barely beat Romney, who was not even signed up! What's Texan for "toast"?
jsteele
Post 09/24/2011 18:54     Subject: Paging Governor Christie -- Cain wins in Florida
Herman Cain just won the GOP straw poll in Florida. Perry was expected to win that pretty easily. After his poor showing in the last debate, this is a terrible embarrassment and could mortally wound his campaign. I'm sure Republican leaders are now desperate to get Chris Christie to enter the race. Obama is probably laughing so hard his physician has had to administer oxygen.