Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you mean Wall Street and IB type jobs? If so, this analysis may be helpful:

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking/

The site includes all the Ivies along with NESCACs Amherst, Williams, Middlebury, Hamilton and Bowdoin. I'm not sure about the athletic component of this though.

That list is of limited use. Because there is a bias for bigger schools. And it doesn't differentiate the types of jobs. Baruch is high up the list and they do get jobs at banks. But there is a difference between a glorified bank teller and M&A at Goldman. Note that there are kids from Baruch who do end up in pretty high level jobs. But most are mid-office. And there is no shame in that. But it isn't what Harvard alums are gunning for.

Precisely. Ivy kids want the top, and often have a better shot at getting it. Athletics does not play into the TOP roles they seek

Anonymous wrote:as their ivy peers. Assume non football / non lax cohort

NO.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you mean Wall Street and IB type jobs? If so, this analysis may be helpful:

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking/

The site includes all the Ivies along with NESCACs Amherst, Williams, Middlebury, Hamilton and Bowdoin. I'm not sure about the athletic component of this though.

That list is of limited use. Because there is a bias for bigger schools. And it doesn't differentiate the types of jobs. Baruch is high up the list and they do get jobs at banks. But there is a difference between a glorified bank teller and M&A at Goldman. Note that there are kids from Baruch who do end up in pretty high level jobs. But most are mid-office. And there is no shame in that. But it isn't what Harvard alums are gunning for.

The analysis adjusts for enrollment in the second table.

That table, especially with DCUM whipping boy Columbia at the top, causes a lot of cognitive dissonance.

If your kid goes to Williams or Amherst and is an athlete, they will not have any limitations on what they can achieve. The laxbro thing is real, but it doesn't really apply to entry level stuff. These schools have athlete only recruiting events, as do the Ivies, where top employers come in to recruit athletes specifically. The Harvard study found that all athletes at Harvard had a significant boost in lifetime earnings and promotions. They specifically call out track and field as being a sport that produces good outcomes and actually "outperform" the "wealthy" sports.

https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2024/11/ivy-league-athletics-career-success-harvard-study


--"Some of the economic outperformance, they write, may be attributable to “athletes in sports that are primarily associated with elite private prep high schools (e.g., crew, squash, lacrosse, fencing, and equestrian), suggesting that prior socioeconomic status may play a role in labor market success.” But that effect is small, says Gompers, and doesn’t explain the even greater outperformance of athletes in socioeconomically and racially diverse sports such as football, basketball, and track and field."

Employers, from Amazon to Citadel to Goldman like smart college athletes. The NESCAC schools are great. It is an amazing opportunity to be an athlete at these schools.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you mean Wall Street and IB type jobs? If so, this analysis may be helpful:

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking/

The site includes all the Ivies along with NESCACs Amherst, Williams, Middlebury, Hamilton and Bowdoin. I'm not sure about the athletic component of this though.

That list is of limited use. Because there is a bias for bigger schools. And it doesn't differentiate the types of jobs. Baruch is high up the list and they do get jobs at banks. But there is a difference between a glorified bank teller and M&A at Goldman. Note that there are kids from Baruch who do end up in pretty high level jobs. But most are mid-office. And there is no shame in that. But it isn't what Harvard alums are gunning for.

The analysis adjusts for enrollment in the second table.

Anonymous wrote:Do you mean Wall Street and IB type jobs? If so, this analysis may be helpful:

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking/

The site includes all the Ivies along with NESCACs Amherst, Williams, Middlebury, Hamilton and Bowdoin. I'm not sure about the athletic component of this though.

That list is of limited use. Because there is a bias for bigger schools. And it doesn't differentiate the types of jobs. Baruch is high up the list and they do get jobs at banks. But there is a difference between a glorified bank teller and M&A at Goldman. Note that there are kids from Baruch who do end up in pretty high level jobs. But most are mid-office. And there is no shame in that. But it isn't what Harvard alums are gunning for.

Anonymous wrote:as their ivy peers. Assume non football / non lax cohort

On the women’s side the soccer players, volleyball players, and lax players do extremely well, especially at Williams and Middlebury. Bowdoin also does better than some might suspect.

No. The Lax pipeline works because there are lax players in key roles at banks and they preferentially hire the next generation of lax bros who reach out to them from their alma mater.

It's not some sort of magic with HR or based on college name alone. It's 1:1 networking, bro-to-bro among students with high bro EQ who know how to interact with this type of guy. It doesn't work if you're a cross country geek and are trying to flash your college name alone.

(No offense to cross country geeks--this describes my kid).

Do you mean Wall Street and IB type jobs? If so, this analysis may be helpful:

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking/

The site includes all the Ivies along with NESCACs Amherst, Williams, Middlebury, Hamilton and Bowdoin. I'm not sure about the athletic component of this though.

yep a ton - I thought I heard 40% of student body mentioned while visiting. It may work out for Brunswick or Lawrenceville lax kid who went to Williams, but not sure the swimmer or cross country kid will have near the same job options. It’s not so much that Williams has great outcomes, they have great outcomes for the true jocks who have an established pipeline

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes if Williams. Not sure about others.

are Williams outcomes really ivy-comparable for athletes when you drift away from the bro / brah football and lax kids?

easy to check this on linkedin bc you can find the rosterfor whatever sport you are interested in online....just do the research.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes if Williams. Not sure about others.

are Williams outcomes really ivy-comparable for athletes when you drift away from the bro / brah football and lax kids?

No they aren’t and they have a ton of athletes.

Anonymous wrote:Yes if Williams. Not sure about others.

are Williams outcomes really ivy-comparable for athletes when you drift away from the bro / brah football and lax kids?

Yes if Williams. Not sure about others.

as their ivy peers. Assume non football / non lax cohort