Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can't students study and get evaluated "properly"? Why is it called "grind"? It is called learning and evaluating.

Not everyone deserves a trophy. Studying or get out of the school to do something more meaningful to your life.

Because it’s an unmanageable and unrealistic amount of work, which isn’t the same thing as “learning properly”.

But that's the expectation from their future employers

That's the part that I find most perplexing: these STEM school grind kids are obviously super smart and motivated, then they go into the workforce and become uninspired 23 year old worker bees. I know some became the founder of Duolingo (our CMU tour guide kept talking about him), but 99% don't.

Why you so worried about CMU students? There's nothing wrong with there being a very challenging academic institution for students in search of that environment. It's not for everyone and that is fine.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can't students study and get evaluated "properly"? Why is it called "grind"? It is called learning and evaluating.

Not everyone deserves a trophy. Studying or get out of the school to do something more meaningful to your life.

Because it’s an unmanageable and unrealistic amount of work, which isn’t the same thing as “learning properly”.

But that's the expectation from their future employers

That's the part that I find most perplexing: these STEM school grind kids are obviously super smart and motivated, then they go into the workforce and become uninspired 23 year old worker bees. I know some became the founder of Duolingo (our CMU tour guide kept talking about him), but 99% don't.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can't students study and get evaluated "properly"? Why is it called "grind"? It is called learning and evaluating.

Not everyone deserves a trophy. Studying or get out of the school to do something more meaningful to your life.

Because it’s an unmanageable and unrealistic amount of work, which isn’t the same thing as “learning properly”.

But that's the expectation from their future employers

Anonymous wrote:Why can't students study and get evaluated "properly"? Why is it called "grind"? It is called learning and evaluating.

Not everyone deserves a trophy. Studying or get out of the school to do something more meaningful to your life.

Because it’s an unmanageable and unrealistic amount of work, which isn’t the same thing as “learning properly”.

Anonymous wrote:Princeton for STEM is brutal.

That's the way to go. AI works 24/7 and wins Math IMO. Human is too slow and useless and whiny

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can't students study and get evaluated "properly"? Why is it called "grind"? It is called learning and evaluating.

Not everyone deserves a trophy. Studying or get out of the school to do something more meaningful to your life.

Have you taken an in-person tour at a place like Caltech, MIT or CMU? The kids there tell you it's a ton of work, 10-12 hours x 7 days a week. Why are some parents so nervous about their kids' future employment prospects that that want them to start brutal job training 7 days a week for 4 years (or more) starting at age 18?

That's the reality. Because we are all w2 slave. Including parents.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can't students study and get evaluated "properly"? Why is it called "grind"? It is called learning and evaluating.

Not everyone deserves a trophy. Studying or get out of the school to do something more meaningful to your life.

Because they “cheated” in by writing “cool” essays but don’t have the ability or intelligence to handle rigor.

Wow. What an ugly person you are.

Grade deflation is real and so is the difference in workload. Back in my day, Swarthmore was known as *the* grind school. So much so that it had a Wall Street Journal article written up about it. We had a teacher visiting from Harvard who assigned 1/3 the workload of a usual Swat class.

That said, it is true that rampant grade inflation in high school means many students are not prepared for college. For elite schools, SATs and APs will mostly screen out kids who are really unprepared, except when schools admitted students test optional and found that grades alone really aren’t predictive of college performance. How can they be when so many high schools don’t teach kids to read and analyze a full book?

This is why so many schools are going back to requiring testing. It’s the only reliable way to sort out the grade inflation and compare between high school schools.

Anonymous wrote:Why can't students study and get evaluated "properly"? Why is it called "grind"? It is called learning and evaluating.

Not everyone deserves a trophy. Studying or get out of the school to do something more meaningful to your life.

Have you taken an in-person tour at a place like Caltech, MIT or CMU? The kids there tell you it's a ton of work, 10-12 hours x 7 days a week. Why are some parents so nervous about their kids' future employment prospects that that want them to start brutal job training 7 days a week for 4 years (or more) starting at age 18?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can't students study and get evaluated "properly"? Why is it called "grind"? It is called learning and evaluating.

Not everyone deserves a trophy. Studying or get out of the school to do something more meaningful to your life.

Because they “cheated” in by writing “cool” essays but don’t have the ability or intelligence to handle rigor.

Ok, then they should continue to hire consultants to help them to graduate and get a job.

Oh actually there is no job. The only jobs left for them will be becoming a college consultant.

Princeton for STEM is brutal.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can't students study and get evaluated "properly"? Why is it called "grind"? It is called learning and evaluating.

Not everyone deserves a trophy. Studying or get out of the school to do something more meaningful to your life.

Because they “cheated” in by writing “cool” essays but don’t have the ability or intelligence to handle rigor.

Ok, then they should continue to hire consultants to help them to graduate and get a job.

Anonymous wrote:Why can't students study and get evaluated "properly"? Why is it called "grind"? It is called learning and evaluating.

Not everyone deserves a trophy. Studying or get out of the school to do something more meaningful to your life.

Because they “cheated” in by writing “cool” essays but don’t have the ability or intelligence to handle rigor.

Depends on major.

Why can't students study and get evaluated "properly"? Why is it called "grind"? It is called learning and evaluating.

Not everyone deserves a trophy. Studying or get out of the school to do something more meaningful to your life.

Recently heard from a friend their sophomore DC at Chicago finds the work more manageable than feared (was expecting where fun goes to die), and read on here schools on the title no longer have grade deflation. Is this true? College counselors and private consultants (the 2 we have talked to so small sample size) seem to still think these are grind schools where too many students graduate with low GPAs.

Anyone with with DCs at these schools now with real-life recent experience and not just recycling hearsays?