Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have zero patience with anti-vaxxers. None. They are some of the most loathsome among us b/c they are either dumb or deliberately obtuse, and biased. No one is stopping you from spacing out vaccinations for your kid but it is abuse, imo, to not listen to the medicine and put your kid at risk. And it's borderline homicidal to put other kids who can't be immunized at risk. I see this as the result of two things primarily:

People in this country are so privileged, to the point they don't realize how harmful some of these diseases are. They don't remember polio, measles, etc.

Also, people are dumb. They are listening to some ear wormed loon and moron celebrities like Jenny McCarthy instead of the doctors. As someone said recently, "if it wasn't for the shootings, one would think we don't have schools."

The upside, however awful and tragic, is that fewer of these people will have their genes passed on to future generations. Nature is merciless. If she doesn’t kill, she very often disables and sterilizes. Entire generations of boys were rendered sterile due to the mumps, and rubella used to disable babies in utero. Sterile and disabled kids have a hard time making babies of their own.

Modern medicine is way out of practice dealing with the impacts from these preventable diseases. I wouldn’t skip vaccines in the hopes a 40-year old doctor can recognize rare complications in time to do anything abbot them. And it’s not their fault - it’s yours as the parent for making it an issue in the first place.

If you don't have sympathy for the innocent children of anti-vaxxers, you should still think about all the babies too young for the MMR vaccine, people with immune disorders who are still vulnerable despite being vaccinated, people receiving cancer treatment or the very elderly... If they lived in a bubble, it would be different but they don't.

Anonymous wrote:We're going to have more hand-wringing threads about measles than we will measles deaths.

If you want to keep the under 10 set alive, cars are what you should be focused on. You'd save a lot more lives revoking the Light Truck Exemptions on safety than you would vaccinating every child.

What a silly comment--they are not mutually exclusive.

All of you people in a tizzy should look at this chart before freaking out: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/measles-cases-and-death-rate

Measles was already drastically declining in lethality and spread before any vaccine was introduced.

What the vaccine industry did, was hop on board a trend line and then claim all the credit.

Then people like you go out there and credit the vaccine for improvements before it was even introduced.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Vaccines are pennies. Hospitalization is 12K/day on average in this country.

We will all pay for this idiocy in our insurance premiums.

I think we are going to see tiered premiums in the near future. Plans are allowed to penalize smokers and some offer “discounts” for engaging in healthy behaviors. I expect to see one rate for everyone, and a significantly discounted second rate for vaccinated families.

But that won’t help the fact that the majority of these idiots have their kids on Medicaid. Being a useless “crunchy” home schooling mama wasting all your disposable income on MLM supplements does not set you up to afford private insurance.

Insurance companies are the biggest weapon we have against the insane vaccine policies and propaganda of the Trump administration.
They will always push and pay for for full vaccination. Vaccines save millions of dollars.

But what about the political agenda that OP is suggesting here? Yes, measles are dangerous and highly contagious and anti-vaxxers are not bright. But what about the way that the current administration will likely use that fact to further push their fascist agenda?

Anonymous wrote:Vaccines are pennies. Hospitalization is 12K/day on average in this country.

We will all pay for this idiocy in our insurance premiums.

I think we are going to see tiered premiums in the near future. Plans are allowed to penalize smokers and some offer “discounts” for engaging in healthy behaviors. I expect to see one rate for everyone, and a significantly discounted second rate for vaccinated families.

But that won’t help the fact that the majority of these idiots have their kids on Medicaid. Being a useless “crunchy” home schooling mama wasting all your disposable income on MLM supplements does not set you up to afford private insurance.

Anonymous wrote:I have zero patience with anti-vaxxers. None. They are some of the most loathsome among us b/c they are either dumb or deliberately obtuse, and biased. No one is stopping you from spacing out vaccinations for your kid but it is abuse, imo, to not listen to the medicine and put your kid at risk. And it's borderline homicidal to put other kids who can't be immunized at risk. I see this as the result of two things primarily:

People in this country are so privileged, to the point they don't realize how harmful some of these diseases are. They don't remember polio, measles, etc.

Also, people are dumb. They are listening to some ear wormed loon and moron celebrities like Jenny McCarthy instead of the doctors. As someone said recently, "if it wasn't for the shootings, one would think we don't have schools."

The upside, however awful and tragic, is that fewer of these people will have their genes passed on to future generations. Nature is merciless. If she doesn’t kill, she very often disables and sterilizes. Entire generations of boys were rendered sterile due to the mumps, and rubella used to disable babies in utero. Sterile and disabled kids have a hard time making babies of their own.

Modern medicine is way out of practice dealing with the impacts from these preventable diseases. I wouldn’t skip vaccines in the hopes a 40-year old doctor can recognize rare complications in time to do anything abbot them. And it’s not their fault - it’s yours as the parent for making it an issue in the first place.

Vaccines are pennies. Hospitalization is 12K/day on average in this country.

We will all pay for this idiocy in our insurance premiums.

I have zero patience with anti-vaxxers. None. They are some of the most loathsome among us b/c they are either dumb or deliberately obtuse, and biased. No one is stopping you from spacing out vaccinations for your kid but it is abuse, imo, to not listen to the medicine and put your kid at risk. And it's borderline homicidal to put other kids who can't be immunized at risk. I see this as the result of two things primarily:

People in this country are so privileged, to the point they don't realize how harmful some of these diseases are. They don't remember polio, measles, etc.

Also, people are dumb. They are listening to some ear wormed loon and moron celebrities like Jenny McCarthy instead of the doctors. As someone said recently, "if it wasn't for the shootings, one would think we don't have schools."

Anonymous wrote:We're going to have more hand-wringing threads about measles than we will measles deaths.

If you want to keep the under 10 set alive, cars are what you should be focused on. You'd save a lot more lives revoking the Light Truck Exemptions on safety than you would vaccinating every child.

We can do that too, you know.

But the way things are going, we are absolutely going to have more measles deaths. Don’t look at numbers from the last decade when measles was considered eradicated and think that represents some great advancement in measles treatment or sanitation. It reflects that fewer kids got the measles. That’s it.

The more kids get the measles, the more deaths we will have. It is one of if not the most contagious virus known to mankind - as long as US citizen antivaxxers remain free to travel, measles will travel to the unvaccinated communities and rip through them quickly. We won’t know the full extent of deaths from today’s outbreaks until a decade from now.

We're going to have more hand-wringing threads about measles than we will measles deaths.

If you want to keep the under 10 set alive, cars are what you should be focused on. You'd save a lot more lives revoking the Light Truck Exemptions on safety than you would vaccinating every child.

I don’t even pretend to understand the garbage fire that is the brain of the average anti-vaxxer. But, from what I see, their logic seems to rest on the faulty assumption that the US has eliminated measles and the only cases are unvaccinated people coming from overseas. They don’t want to vax because they perceive the dangers of vaccinating to be greater than the risk of contracting the disease, which in their minds is still zero.

The problem is that assumption is way outdated because of their own behaviors. Many of these outbreaks seem to involve an unvaccinated US citizen or resident raw dogging international travel to third world countries where measles remains endemic and then bringing it home where it spreads like wildfire among their unvaccinated community. Then those same people travel to visit their friends and continue the spread.

There are some epidemiologists that have speculated that measles is no longer eradicated due to the drop in herd immunity.

I could go on and on about why you invest in global health because as long as people travel a risk in Pakistan is a risk in the United States. But these smooth brain anti-vaxxers would prefer to just be racist and stupid than do anything mildly unpleasant to protect their kids from the inevitable.

If I heard that a serial killer was on the loose and attacking children, I wouldn’t be sleeping with the first floor windows open and the doors unlocked, but apparently that is just how they roll.

Anonymous wrote:Oh there is also the meningococcal meningitis outbreak in Chicago

Which, PS, is another vaccine preventable disease, and transmitted via respiratory droplets.

Oh there is also the meningococcal meningitis outbreak in Chicago

Withdrawal from the World Health Organization, Robert Kennedy no longer recommending certain vaccines -> suspicious measles outbreak at immigration camps. What comes next? Let’s guess - immigrants are blamed for the outbreak, thousands die in immigration camps, including citizens. Citizens are even more scared to speak out and risk being sent to camps. Foreign counties ban travel from the US for fear of bringing disease. And we are stuck here in hell forever. The end.