Anonymous wrote:Will they try and hide their employment with ICE from their resume? Will working at ICE in any capacity make you persona non grata in terms of getting hired somewhere else?

No way. I live in a red area of Texas. These kinds of guys are going to be treated like veterans around here. This means they will get their businesses patronized, elected to local office, installed on boards, etc.

Anonymous wrote:So worst case a new admin comes in and RIFs these guys. They get ITCAP preference for all federal jobs and there are plenty of open law enforcement roles for them to transition into. So in answer to your question I dont see these guys having any issues getting federal jobs in the future.

will the new agency require the training the ice officer failed to receive upon hiring at DHS. Will the new agency take it upon itself to do the background checks that ice failed to do at hiring. Or is that al waived

Anonymous wrote:I have a friend who is a lawyer there and absolutely miserable. She is hating every minute of it and has been asked to do some unethical stuff, but feels stuck. I don't know what she plans to do but it really sucks for her. I wish she had tried to get out sooner.

She better hope opposing counsel doesn’t report her to her state bar. She might be okay if barred in Florida, Arkansas, and similar states. She might not be so lucky if barred in Pennsylvania, Virginia, Maryland. Also, the federal judges are getting frustrated with federal attorneys and may start referring ethical violations to state bars. Your friend should be looking for an exit.

People love to second guess. I used to have a friend who when young did TNT in NYC (Tactical Narcotics Team (TNT): back when NYC was at peak crime. They would have no knock warrants and litterally kick in doors in NYC Bronx, Harlem, Brooklyn worst areas. Kids would be throwing cinderblocks off roofs on them as they came and people shooting out windows in projects at them. When they kicked the door it could be 50 guys with weapons, booby traps waiting to attack. or could be civillians mixed in. He did it when young for awhile and it was the most scary thing he did for two reasons. He was scared of collateral damage he could not live with and scared of being shot 50 hours a week.

and they are reason NYC got very safe. It is similar to what is going on now. Dinkins and Bloomberg and Deblasio cut back on TNT and Stop and Frisk and crime just went back up.

It is no win.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a friend who is a lawyer there and absolutely miserable. She is hating every minute of it and has been asked to do some unethical stuff, but feels stuck. I don't know what she plans to do but it really sucks for her. I wish she had tried to get out sooner.

My husband had been a contractor doing data/programming work for ICE. Thankfully, he retired two years ago so isn't caught up in all this.

One telling thing from the first T. administration -- he worked on database listing immigrants and they used to have a code to classify "criminals" (I don't know the actual term). It used to note anyone with a conviction. When T came into office they were ordered to use the same code to classify anyone ever arrested. Ta da! a lot more "criminals" to deport.

I will add to this that the arrest or conviction can be for breaking immigration-related laws. So - a person with an illegal entry or reentry arrest or conviction gets the "criminal" flag.

Why will they need another job? They can retire from ICE. If they leave they can get lucrative contractor jobs.

So worst case a new admin comes in and RIFs these guys. They get ITCAP preference for all federal jobs and there are plenty of open law enforcement roles for them to transition into. So in answer to your question I dont see these guys having any issues getting federal jobs in the future.

Anonymous wrote:I have a friend who is a lawyer there and absolutely miserable. She is hating every minute of it and has been asked to do some unethical stuff, but feels stuck. I don't know what she plans to do but it really sucks for her. I wish she had tried to get out sooner.

My husband had been a contractor doing data/programming work for ICE. Thankfully, he retired two years ago so isn't caught up in all this.

One telling thing from the first T. administration -- he worked on database listing immigrants and they used to have a code to classify "criminals" (I don't know the actual term). It used to note anyone with a conviction. When T came into office they were ordered to use the same code to classify anyone ever arrested. Ta da! a lot more "criminals" to deport.

Not with me. It is an immoral job.

I do feel sorry for certain agents who were there from years ago and have been consistently respectful and humane. I'm sure there is a small group of them who are decent. I could be friends with those individually if I got to know them over a period of time, but in a job interview setting there is no way to determine who pepper-sprayed someone at point blank range and used a child to take a parent, who bought into the Hunting Humans For Sport Gestapo philosophy.

So no hiring of ICE, ever.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a friend who is a lawyer there and absolutely miserable. She is hating every minute of it and has been asked to do some unethical stuff, but feels stuck. I don't know what she plans to do but it really sucks for her. I wish she had tried to get out sooner.

It's happens

I suspect the harshest judgment will be for those with guns in their hands and knees in people's faces

If there's any justice those individuals will be in prison.

Anonymous wrote:I have a friend who is a lawyer there and absolutely miserable. She is hating every minute of it and has been asked to do some unethical stuff, but feels stuck. I don't know what she plans to do but it really sucks for her. I wish she had tried to get out sooner.

It's happens

I suspect the harshest judgment will be for those with guns in their hands and knees in people's faces

I have a friend who is a lawyer there and absolutely miserable. She is hating every minute of it and has been asked to do some unethical stuff, but feels stuck. I don't know what she plans to do but it really sucks for her. I wish she had tried to get out sooner.

Anonymous wrote:Hell, no. Unemployable. They would need to delete it from resume, but it may pop up regardless.
Even those in ice prior to this mess are going to be blacklisted for decades.

Not only that. The worst of them will be found out. Doesn't matter how old they are. Only 8ne person has immunity. The rest just "get told" they have immunity.

In this digital age, they won't escape

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Demjanjuk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_Lohse

Hell, no. Unemployable. They would need to delete it from resume, but it may pop up regardless.
Even those in ice prior to this mess are going to be blacklisted for decades.

Will they try and hide their employment with ICE from their resume? Will working at ICE in any capacity make you persona non grata in terms of getting hired somewhere else?