Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is all about your financial circumstances and your kid’s preferences/priorities.

If you can afford either without struggle, choose based on your kid’s preferences.

If you can’t afford OOS without a struggle, UVA is the obvious answer.

The idea that you’re going to get (and can predict while your child is in high school and very well could change course/majors during college) some meaningful “ROI” on one school name over another is silly.

Eighty percent of all students change their major at least once. My UVA engineylid did and was very glad he had not gone to a tech school

yes-this is why we want a non tech school, kid really wants a change as uva will be HS 2.0

No it’s not. Good grief.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is all about your financial circumstances and your kid’s preferences/priorities.

If you can afford either without struggle, choose based on your kid’s preferences.

If you can’t afford OOS without a struggle, UVA is the obvious answer.

The idea that you’re going to get (and can predict while your child is in high school and very well could change course/majors during college) some meaningful “ROI” on one school name over another is silly.

Eighty percent of all students change their major at least once. My UVA engineylid did and was very glad he had not gone to a tech school

yes-this is why we want a non tech school, kid really wants a change as uva will be HS 2.0

That’s a trite, ignorant phrase used by students who don’t get in or don’t have what it takes to even apply. Go tour - at least twice. Have your kid look into the 700 clubs and organizations there. My kids (one public, one private) never saw their high school
Classmates - it us, after all, 6,000 incoming a year. The students are 30% OOS and 6% international. Talk to other UVA parents and they will tell you the same: your kid won’t see their high school friends unless the seek them out. Would you not apply to UCLA because “it’s high school 2.0”. No, you would not. You are also talking about a savings of $240k (USC at $100 minus UVA at $40k) which goes a long ways toward grad school or down payment.

I think High Schol 2.0 comes from people who know kids that approached UVA that way. One of DC's good friends is at UVA and is always talking about who they are running into or trying to avoid from their HS. The HS connection is still very much a part of their life. Maybe the student will distance themselves as they grow, but HS 2.0 seems to be a part of their experience. It's obviously not that way for everyone, but those who are prone to it can easily fall into the trap of just extending HS relationships/social status/etc.

Anonymous wrote:I’ll start off by saying that UMich is very expensive compared to in-state UVa. It’s so high that families should consider what private full cost colleges they’re considering rather than other public colleges.

There are a few LSA departments that might be better than the UVa equivalent:

Undergraduate math
Undergraduate statistics
Undergraduate CS (classes in engineering school)
Undergraduate Data Science (in stats department

There are no doubt others.

I think the following UMich programs are weak:

Required distribution classes for LSA
Economics
Required writing classes

Disagree on required distribution classes for LSA. There is huge choice.

In 3 semesters, my kid had:

1 Western History (which fulfilled the Race & Ethnicity requirement since it covered Western Colonialism). Really liked this. Professor wrote the book.

2 Freshman seminars that were open access to all LSA freshmen on interesting topics. Science and social science.

3 interesting mini-courses that were about contemporary issues.

1 Statistics which was a good class even though he had AP Statistics.

1 Art History class that was very engaging (and helped him reflect on prior family travels).

Spanish 4 was hard for him. His high school version didn't cut it. He wished he took one of the themed versions of Spanish 4 instead of the standard class. Supposedly they are easier and more interesting. But he had a full professor, smaller class, and supports available.

Agree he didn't like the intro Econs but that's not his major and there were a lot of kids busting their tails to get the best grades in those classes.

He is very satisfied overall and loves attending Michigan. He does especially well in small classes where the teachers get to know the kids quite well. And he has had quite a few of those. And more coming. We are flagship people, and don't want or expect all classes to be high-school-sized.

Where there have been stumbles, I think a lot of it comes from being in a bigger pool of highly-talented students like he's never seen before.

I think he only has 1-2 distribution requirements left.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is all about your financial circumstances and your kid’s preferences/priorities.

If you can afford either without struggle, choose based on your kid’s preferences.

If you can’t afford OOS without a struggle, UVA is the obvious answer.

The idea that you’re going to get (and can predict while your child is in high school and very well could change course/majors during college) some meaningful “ROI” on one school name over another is silly.

Eighty percent of all students change their major at least once. My UVA engineylid did and was very glad he had not gone to a tech school

yes-this is why we want a non tech school, kid really wants a change as uva will be HS 2.0

That’s a trite, ignorant phrase used by students who don’t get in or don’t have what it takes to even apply. Go tour - at least twice. Have your kid look into the 700 clubs and organizations there. My kids (one public, one private) never saw their high school
Classmates - it us, after all, 6,000 incoming a year. The students are 30% OOS and 6% international. Talk to other UVA parents and they will tell you the same: your kid won’t see their high school friends unless the seek them out. Would you not apply to UCLA because “it’s high school 2.0”. No, you would not. You are also talking about a savings of $240k (USC at $100 minus UVA at $40k) which goes a long ways toward grad school or down payment.

Anonymous wrote:I’ll start off by saying that UMich is very expensive compared to in-state UVa. It’s so high that families should consider what private full cost colleges they’re considering rather than other public colleges.

There are a few LSA departments that might be better than the UVa equivalent:

Undergraduate math
Undergraduate statistics
Undergraduate CS (classes in engineering school)
Undergraduate Data Science (in stats department

There are no doubt others.

I think the following UMich programs are weak:

Required distribution classes for LSA
Economics
Required writing classes

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undergrad engineering is ranked 5 , just under MIT and GTech

I’ll start off by saying that UMich is very expensive compared to in-state UVa. It’s so high that families should consider what private full cost colleges they’re considering rather than other public colleges.

There are a few LSA departments that might be better than the UVa equivalent:

Undergraduate math
Undergraduate statistics
Undergraduate CS (classes in engineering school)
Undergraduate Data Science (in stats department

There are no doubt others.

I think the following UMich programs are weak:

Required distribution classes for LSA
Economics
Required writing classes

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is all about your financial circumstances and your kid’s preferences/priorities.

If you can afford either without struggle, choose based on your kid’s preferences.

If you can’t afford OOS without a struggle, UVA is the obvious answer.

The idea that you’re going to get (and can predict while your child is in high school and very well could change course/majors during college) some meaningful “ROI” on one school name over another is silly.

Eighty percent of all students change their major at least once. My UVA engineylid did and was very glad he had not gone to a tech school

yes-this is why we want a non tech school, kid really wants a change as uva will be HS 2.0

Again: you realize that "tech" schools all have liberal arts/humanities colleges, right? MIT, GT, VT, etc.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is all about your financial circumstances and your kid’s preferences/priorities.

If you can afford either without struggle, choose based on your kid’s preferences.

If you can’t afford OOS without a struggle, UVA is the obvious answer.

The idea that you’re going to get (and can predict while your child is in high school and very well could change course/majors during college) some meaningful “ROI” on one school name over another is silly.

Eighty percent of all students change their major at least once. My UVA engineylid did and was very glad he had not gone to a tech school

And my VT engineering major changed to a liberal arts major at VT. "Tech" is just a part of these schools and most have excellent liberal arts colleges as well.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is all about your financial circumstances and your kid’s preferences/priorities.

If you can afford either without struggle, choose based on your kid’s preferences.

If you can’t afford OOS without a struggle, UVA is the obvious answer.

The idea that you’re going to get (and can predict while your child is in high school and very well could change course/majors during college) some meaningful “ROI” on one school name over another is silly.

Eighty percent of all students change their major at least once. My UVA engineylid did and was very glad he had not gone to a tech school

yes-this is why we want a non tech school, kid really wants a change as uva will be HS 2.0

Anonymous wrote:This is all about your financial circumstances and your kid’s preferences/priorities.

If you can afford either without struggle, choose based on your kid’s preferences.

If you can’t afford OOS without a struggle, UVA is the obvious answer.

The idea that you’re going to get (and can predict while your child is in high school and very well could change course/majors during college) some meaningful “ROI” on one school name over another is silly.

Eighty percent of all students change their major at least once. My UVA engineylid did and was very glad he had not gone to a tech school

UVA and UMD instate will generate the same outcomes as Michigan OOS. Period. Especially close are UVA and Michigan.

Don’t fool yourself that any particular major at Michigan is worth paying an extra $40k a year. That’s a much more expensive college experience for no real upside.

People do it all the time (spend a ton for undergrad and justify the expense) but really only those with HHIs over 400k or where that amount of money is insignificant to them should consider this.

This is all about your financial circumstances and your kid’s preferences/priorities.

If you can afford either without struggle, choose based on your kid’s preferences.

If you can’t afford OOS without a struggle, UVA is the obvious answer.

The idea that you’re going to get (and can predict while your child is in high school and very well could change course/majors during college) some meaningful “ROI” on one school name over another is silly.

ABET means that almost all engineering programs are very rigorous and also that the required courses for a particular engineering degree are very similar.

Look at the graduation rate *with a degree in engineeringg of the students who start out in engineering. Really top programs (MIT) and some middle tier programs have a graduation rate with an engineering degree of 90+%. Pick a program with a high graduation rate.

Do whatever you think is best for your kids. Best for one kid might be different than best for a different kid.

As a hiring manager, my experience with the UMich engineering/CS grads is that they are about the same as VT or UVa grads with the same degree/major. What matters much more to me at hiring time is that the applicant took the more rigorous upper-level in-major elective courses during their last 2 years of engineering.

For my own kids, not yet applying to college, we have a limited budget (unlike many on DCUM). So we will go in-state public university if possible when the kids get to that point in their life.

Is the general consensus:
Mich LSA-not worth it over UVA AS
Mich engineering-woth it over UVA and vtech engineering
Mich Ross-worth it over VTech biz and UVA biz?
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we will be doing Mich engineering even if kids gets into uva engineering, did get into vtech.
if gets into ivy then will pivot