Anonymous wrote:I think it could happen if Democrats give cover to Republicans. I don't know what kind of deal that looks like, but they'd have to make the transition to Vance as smooth as possible, and everybody agrees to paint it as a "medical necessity", while giving slavish respect to the Great Leader. The trick is to ease him out of office while preserving the good will of MAGA voters, so that nobody voting for removal gets primaried from the right.

It won't happen because it is a cult, and you cannot replace the cult leader with someone almost everyone despises without pissing off the base.

Anonymous wrote:How do we get to this point

With a totally pliant GOP, we don't.

I think it could happen if Democrats give cover to Republicans. I don't know what kind of deal that looks like, but they'd have to make the transition to Vance as smooth as possible, and everybody agrees to paint it as a "medical necessity", while giving slavish respect to the Great Leader. The trick is to ease him out of office while preserving the good will of MAGA voters, so that nobody voting for removal gets primaried from the right.

Anonymous wrote:Do you really want this? Do you think that Vance could be impeached at the same time? And if so, nothing can happen until 2027 since before then Johnson would be the person after Vance. And that works only if the Dems take both the House and the Senate. And then do you really, really want Hakeem Jeffries?

Lmao, this this a serious question?

Anonymous wrote:A number of Republican senators have already stated that any military action on a NATO ally is illegal and unauthorized. Officers in the military are also trained that they must refuse illegal orders - such as torture, murdering innocents, or anything that violates federal law or the Constitution.

If Trump and Hegseth issue an order to take Greenland, there will be a widespread mutiny among the military. None of these soldiers want to kill Danes, Germans, Norwegians, English and so on. There will be enormous resistance within the military, especially among senior officers who are well aware of what a strategic catastrophe an invasion of Greenland would become. It's the end of the US in NATO, the loss of all bases in Europe and other places like Diego Garcia. Not to mention the economic disaster for the US when the dollar is no longer the reserve currency, trade dies, and interest rates skyrocket.

I do believe enough of these spineless Republican senators will finally hit their limit and will vote for impeachment if Trump issues that order. It takes 67 to remove Trump from power. Very doable under these circumstances.

But we should never be in these circumstances to begin. We have a Mad King in the White House. This is a complete failure of our political system.

I'll believe it when I see it.. They keep drawing lines and he keeps crossing them.

A number of Republican senators have already stated that any military action on a NATO ally is illegal and unauthorized. Officers in the military are also trained that they must refuse illegal orders - such as torture, murdering innocents, or anything that violates federal law or the Constitution.

If Trump and Hegseth issue an order to take Greenland, there will be a widespread mutiny among the military. None of these soldiers want to kill Danes, Germans, Norwegians, English and so on. There will be enormous resistance within the military, especially among senior officers who are well aware of what a strategic catastrophe an invasion of Greenland would become. It's the end of the US in NATO, the loss of all bases in Europe and other places like Diego Garcia. Not to mention the economic disaster for the US when the dollar is no longer the reserve currency, trade dies, and interest rates skyrocket.

I do believe enough of these spineless Republican senators will finally hit their limit and will vote for impeachment if Trump issues that order. It takes 67 to remove Trump from power. Very doable under these circumstances.

But we should never be in these circumstances to begin. We have a Mad King in the White House. This is a complete failure of our political system.

25th amendment is not as easy as you think. You might want to read it, rather than accept the Hollywood version.

Once Trump is gone the leash will be cut. Any option mentioned in this thread will be safer for our country.

Anonymous wrote:Do you really want this? Do you think that Vance could be impeached at the same time? And if so, nothing can happen until 2027 since before then Johnson would be the person after Vance. And that works only if the Dems take both the House and the Senate. And then do you really, really want Hakeem Jeffries?

Above Donald Trump, JD Vance, and Mike Johnson? Who WOULDN’T prefer Jeffries? The fasciae’s and the racists. That’s it.

Do you really want this? Do you think that Vance could be impeached at the same time? And if so, nothing can happen until 2027 since before then Johnson would be the person after Vance. And that works only if the Dems take both the House and the Senate. And then do you really, really want Hakeem Jeffries?

Anonymous wrote:The GOP will never get a backbone and put the country first. Never. We have 3 more years of this nightmare, unless he leaves this mortal coil.

I think the mistake is assuming that absolutely none of the members of the GOP can possibly be reached. They were not all hand selected by Trump, and I doubt every single one of them is comfortable facilitating a full on shredding of our constitution and institutions.

We need targeted pressure campaigns to reach the ones most likely to turn away from this administration. They should not know a moment's peace while this regime continues it's reign of terror.

Unfortunately, we also need a pressure campaign targeting the Democratic leadership to get them on board with doing something as well.

But I don't think we can just passively accept that the GOP as whole will never do the right thing. They won't unless and until the alternative is more uncomfortable than taking action. Right now, the easiest most comfortable thing for them is pretending not to see what us happening. That's what needs to change.

All of our politicians need it made abundantly clear to them that either they use their power to stop this or they leave the people no other option than to take matters into their own hands.

I don’t know, but I’m sure some people in the government are thinking about it right now, especially after his crazy letter to the Norwegian leader. Trump is expected at Davos this week so I’m sure he’ll say some new bizarre things. Let’s cross our fingers and hope they’re what he says is even nuttier than usual because it will all be filmed.

The GOP will never get a backbone and put the country first. Never. We have 3 more years of this nightmare, unless he leaves this mortal coil.

How do we get to this point