ICE has always had issues but it’s being weaponized in the current administration. I think what MAGA fails to understand is that the issue isn’t border control, it’s the trampling of the constitution in the name of making us safer. It’s a pretense to squash dissent at this point. It’s not immigration control, it’s Trumps’ proud boys/J6 crew playing dress up. I read somewhere that the fact that they are recruiting people with no regards to any standards is a feature, not a bug.

They are using the same tactics as the IDF and often get training by them

https://mondoweiss.net/2026/01/from-palestine-to-minneapolis-ice-and-israel-use-the-same-violent-playbook/

Anonymous wrote:Law enforcement officers deal with different hazards than hospital staff. I feel weird having to explain that.

I am aware of that, but even most (not all, but more) police are more restrained, appropriate, and professional than ICE. Those additional hazards do not excuse how they act handling protestors or arresting random uber drivers.

I will repeat, patients come into many ERs going ape sh*t, on drugs, gand members, etc, and hospital security also do not know if they have a weapon if the ER has no metal detector. Yet they still manage to subdue them without punching them in the head, cursing them out, or generally being a-holes. I have seen way too many ICE head punching videos.

Anonymous wrote:Law enforcement officers deal with different hazards than hospital staff. I feel weird having to explain that.

You didn't explain anything.

Did you read the OP?

The real purpose of ICE isn’t to detain undocumented immigrants. It’s to terrorize blue communities in hopes of instigating a flashpoint. They want a violent incident that can be used as an excuse to declare martial law, call in the military, and cancel elections.

The ideal candidate for that job would be a violent white supremacist, preferably a pardoned J6 felon with a grudge, who they can just hand a gun to without all the bother of training and professional standards.

Because no one wants the low pay and gestapo day job....except the racists and j6ers. So they have to lower standards to be able to hire them.

Law enforcement officers deal with different hazards than hospital staff. I feel weird having to explain that.

It’s deliberate. This current Trump administration is full of very disturbed and depraved individuals who enjoy inflicting pain and distress on others for sport.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One reason is that the Big Ugly Bill mandated the hiring of at least 10,000 new agents. To get agents out in the field ASAP, standards have to be loosened.

Some of the loosened standards include:

*minimum age changed from 21 to 18--maximum age cap completely removed (used to be upper 30s).

*some recruits have been rushed through the process without passing the physical fitness test, written test, or a background check

*training time has been slashed from approx. 20 weeks to roughly 6–8 weeks

*worryingly, firearms and tactics training were reportedly cut in half to "cut redundancy"

Ok, but shouldn't Republicans care about this? If they are focused on safety for US citizens, this is basically a recipe for disaster. Again, thinking of the one hospital security officer who made a bad situation more unstable and unsafe - but now we have unleashed people like that across the country.

Certainly does not make me feel more safe, whatsoever.

ICE is not making us more safe. A majority of Americans agree with that statement.

And Republicans are not focused on anything for US citizens. They are focused on making billionaires richer.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One reason is that the Big Ugly Bill mandated the hiring of at least 10,000 new agents. To get agents out in the field ASAP, standards have to be loosened.

Some of the loosened standards include:

*minimum age changed from 21 to 18--maximum age cap completely removed (used to be upper 30s).

*some recruits have been rushed through the process without passing the physical fitness test, written test, or a background check

*training time has been slashed from approx. 20 weeks to roughly 6–8 weeks

*worryingly, firearms and tactics training were reportedly cut in half to "cut redundancy"

Ok, but shouldn't Republicans care about this? If they are focused on safety for US citizens, this is basically a recipe for disaster. Again, thinking of the one hospital security officer who made a bad situation more unstable and unsafe - but now we have unleashed people like that across the country.

Certainly does not make me feel more safe, whatsoever.

They've made it abundantly clear that they don't care about things that don't personally affect them.

Anonymous wrote:One reason is that the Big Ugly Bill mandated the hiring of at least 10,000 new agents. To get agents out in the field ASAP, standards have to be loosened.

Some of the loosened standards include:

*minimum age changed from 21 to 18--maximum age cap completely removed (used to be upper 30s).

*some recruits have been rushed through the process without passing the physical fitness test, written test, or a background check

*training time has been slashed from approx. 20 weeks to roughly 6–8 weeks

*worryingly, firearms and tactics training were reportedly cut in half to "cut redundancy"

Ok, but shouldn't Republicans care about this? If they are focused on safety for US citizens, this is basically a recipe for disaster. Again, thinking of the one hospital security officer who made a bad situation more unstable and unsafe - but now we have unleashed people like that across the country.

Certainly does not make me feel more safe, whatsoever.

One reason is that the Big Ugly Bill mandated the hiring of at least 10,000 new agents. To get agents out in the field ASAP, standards have to be loosened.

Some of the loosened standards include:

*minimum age changed from 21 to 18--maximum age cap completely removed (used to be upper 30s).

*some recruits have been rushed through the process without passing the physical fitness test, written test, or a background check

*training time has been slashed from approx. 20 weeks to roughly 6–8 weeks

*worryingly, firearms and tactics training were reportedly cut in half to "cut redundancy"

I believe cruelty is part of ICE’s agenda.

You sound like a caring nurse manager who cares about hospital staff and patients. Thank you.

Because POTUS Miller wants numbers and Congress has done nothing while he spends billions on his goal.

I work in healthcare. Unfortunately every day, across the country, patients are trying to hit, kick, grope, spit on, assault healthcare staff. I work for a hospital that has an ER with a metal detector, but plenty of hospitals do not and are having to subdue patients not even knowing if they have a weapon. Also FWIW, medications like Haldol are not immediately effective, require coming at a combative patient with a sharp needle while someone holds them down, and may require multiple doses before the patient is subdued.

And yet, there accepted standards and culture healthcare. You do NOT curse at patients. Ever. Cussing out a patient could get you fired whether you are a doctor, nurses aide or hospital security. You don't punch them in the head. Choke holds are banned. Force and restraint are used if necessary, but under the concept of "nonmaleficence" to prevent harm. And yes, there are some horrific examples of violence toward healthcare workers which is worsening over time and speak to a need for increased screening and protection of staff. Our hospital security officers carry guns and we have had shooting scares - someone pulled a gun in the ER or the ICU, etc.

But when I see videos of ICE, it is just jarring. There are zero standards for professionalism, appears to be zero training on how to deescalate a situation. While most of our hospital ecurity are excellent, as a nurse manager, I once kicked a new hospital security officer off of my unit because they were so arrogant and confrontational, they made a bad situation worse. I think of that when I see ICE.

Shouldn't even Republicans want to have basic professionalism standards and adequate training for federal officers?