Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Effective parenting involves teaching YOUR OWN CHILD how to navigate the world, not manipulating the world for your child's comfort. Tell her both her and her daughter's lives will be much easier once she reframes her entire outlook on life.
She needs to talk to Alice about not taking everything personally and how to break into a group appropriately and to stop expecting others to solve the problem on the other side of the interaction.
+1. Alice is going to be a very entitled tween/teem/adult with a low threshold for feeling rejected if her mom doesn’t get therapy and parent coaching. This is not an Alice problem. It’s a mom and dad problem. Alice needs to understand she has agency and can change her situation. Alice needs to understand she is resilient and can play with different people and try different things and that a friend not explicitly inviting her to play at recess does not mean the friendship is over. I have a first grader who is well aware of all of this, so I’m sad that Alice isn’t learning really valuable skills.
Maybe you can suggest a book or a podcast on this topic to her mom? Maybe Alice’s teacher can do that too.
I was agreeing with you until you got unnecessarily condescending. I'm sure your 1st grader has her own issues. Alice's mom sounds like she has anxiety and yes, she's making a parenting mistake, but don't assume you won't makes some dumb parenting mistake eventually, too. Parenting has a way of squeezing the smug right out of you.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Effective parenting involves teaching YOUR OWN CHILD how to navigate the world, not manipulating the world for your child's comfort. Tell her both her and her daughter's lives will be much easier once she reframes her entire outlook on life.
She needs to talk to Alice about not taking everything personally and how to break into a group appropriately and to stop expecting others to solve the problem on the other side of the interaction.
+1. Alice is going to be a very entitled tween/teem/adult with a low threshold for feeling rejected if her mom doesn’t get therapy and parent coaching. This is not an Alice problem. It’s a mom and dad problem. Alice needs to understand she has agency and can change her situation. Alice needs to understand she is resilient and can play with different people and try different things and that a friend not explicitly inviting her to play at recess does not mean the friendship is over. I have a first grader who is well aware of all of this, so I’m sad that Alice isn’t learning really valuable skills.
Maybe you can suggest a book or a podcast on this topic to her mom? Maybe Alice’s teacher can do that too.
Anonymous wrote:Effective parenting involves teaching YOUR OWN CHILD how to navigate the world, not manipulating the world for your child's comfort. Tell her both her and her daughter's lives will be much easier once she reframes her entire outlook on life.
She needs to talk to Alice about not taking everything personally and how to break into a group appropriately and to stop expecting others to solve the problem on the other side of the interaction.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My child Bryn is great friends with Alice (2nd grade). I like her mom and we’ve been friend for years. This year. Alice’s mom got into the habit of asking me to speak with my child about excluding hers. “Today Alice was crying because Bryn sat next to Taylor and she said Bryn only wants to play with Taylor”, or “Alice feels like Bryn doesn’t like her because she played at recess with Sam”, etc. initially I was super concerned and spoke with my child and firmly insisted she not exclude anyone. But then I found out from the teachers that my child hadn’t done anything, she just plays with whomever but Alice wants to play with her specifically. So after a few times of Alice’s mom telling me to speak with my child, I finally told her look my kid loves yours but also likes new friends and isn’t doing anything wrong. Alice’s mom apologized and said okay no more complaints.
This week, Alice’s mom told me that another child Zoey was excluding Alice and that she wrote an email to Zoey’s mom about it. She further said that Zoey’s mom just didn’t respond and how mean she is. I honestly don’t know if she realizes that no one else does this or if she just assumes parents want to know these details?
How would you gently say hey I think this isn’t great for you to go around telling parents to talk to their kids about excluding Alice, because it seems like Alice is quite sensitive and this alienates parents from her further? What would you say?
Alice is a manipulative pain in the neck.
Anonymous wrote:My child Bryn is great friends with Alice (2nd grade). I like her mom and we’ve been friend for years. This year. Alice’s mom got into the habit of asking me to speak with my child about excluding hers. “Today Alice was crying because Bryn sat next to Taylor and she said Bryn only wants to play with Taylor”, or “Alice feels like Bryn doesn’t like her because she played at recess with Sam”, etc. initially I was super concerned and spoke with my child and firmly insisted she not exclude anyone. But then I found out from the teachers that my child hadn’t done anything, she just plays with whomever but Alice wants to play with her specifically. So after a few times of Alice’s mom telling me to speak with my child, I finally told her look my kid loves yours but also likes new friends and isn’t doing anything wrong. Alice’s mom apologized and said okay no more complaints.
This week, Alice’s mom told me that another child Zoey was excluding Alice and that she wrote an email to Zoey’s mom about it. She further said that Zoey’s mom just didn’t respond and how mean she is. I honestly don’t know if she realizes that no one else does this or if she just assumes parents want to know these details?
How would you gently say hey I think this isn’t great for you to go around telling parents to talk to their kids about excluding Alice, because it seems like Alice is quite sensitive and this alienates parents from her further? What would you say?
Anonymous wrote:Stay out of it. It will only anger her and make her pickier. She may tell Alice that you are making Bryn be mean to Alice and are mean to her, too.
Anonymous wrote:You don't tell the other mom how to handle it. Even though I agree with you and think she's making a big mistake in trying to micromanage this situation for her DD.
The *most* I might do is maybe commiserate that the social stuff in elementary can be challenging (which is true! recess and who plays with who can be a whole drama and it's hard when your kid is struggling) but then note things you think have helped your kid. Like if I were in this situation, I'd say "you know, going to aftercare has been great for DD because it gives her a chance to hang out with other kids in a different setting which I think makes recess easier." Or "when DD is having challenges at school, we try to schedule playdates with some of her soccer friends from other schools so it doesn't feel as intense -- it seems to help put things in perspective."
It sounds like this mom is not doing a good job of helping her DD develop social skills to navigate challenging or even just non-ideal social situations, and is instead trying to engineer social situations so that her daughter doesn't need social skills. You and I know that's not going to work out great, but you can't just say that. So I might try to empathize but then gently steer the other mom towards things she could do that would help her child with resilience and making friends in different settings.