Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good, another drain on our medical system gone.

Seriously, guy was not even legally here. He was receiving medical care that should have gone to taxpaying American citizens. The tragedy is that this occurred on a “routine” appointment, not the very first appointment.

If an illegal immigrant shows up to any medical provider, ICE should be immediately notified, and they should be immediately deported to receive medical care at home, in their country, rather then draining our system. If they need any stabilizing care (such as in this case) they should only be provided such once they have signed a voluntary deportation order and acknowledge that they will never enter the United States again, and that any attempt to do so, legally or illegally, will be met with hostile action.

If the allegations are true it is horrendous and shouldn't happen.

That being said in an interview the family said he came to the US seeking medical care. He has end stage renal disease. That has cost taxpayers at least $60,000-$100,000 every year. We just can't continue to take in everyone in the world who will be a drain on our medical system. No other country allows people who will drain their medical system to immigrate. It would be different if he came to the US to work, then got sick.

Exactly. Just because, despite the socialists’ best efforts to destroy it through Obamacare, the United States has the unquestionably best medical system in the world does not mean we are the world’s hospital. Illegal immigrants should never be permitted to utilize our medical system, period.

It's the best in the world for those who can afford it, and I'm not even referring to whether people are undocumented or not. Also it helps not to live in places like Texas, Idao, or Alabama if you happen to be a woman of childbearing age.

Most undocumented immigrants do not have access to scheduled dialysis except through organized charities or in states like California that do extend medicaid, unless they have insurance (a sizable number of undocumented immigrants do have employer health insurance). They can only access dialysis when they are ill enough to require emergency dialysis, which means they are 8 times as likely to die in a given period of time than people who ae able to access scheduled dialysis.

Anonymous wrote:Good, another drain on our medical system gone.

Seriously, guy was not even legally here. He was receiving medical care that should have gone to taxpaying American citizens. The tragedy is that this occurred on a “routine” appointment, not the very first appointment.

If an illegal immigrant shows up to any medical provider, ICE should be immediately notified, and they should be immediately deported to receive medical care at home, in their country, rather then draining our system. If they need any stabilizing care (such as in this case) they should only be provided such once they have signed a voluntary deportation order and acknowledge that they will never enter the United States again, and that any attempt to do so, legally or illegally, will be met with hostile action.

How is holding a gun to someone's head conducive to a "voluntary" agreement?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good, another drain on our medical system gone.

Seriously, guy was not even legally here. He was receiving medical care that should have gone to taxpaying American citizens. The tragedy is that this occurred on a “routine” appointment, not the very first appointment.

If an illegal immigrant shows up to any medical provider, ICE should be immediately notified, and they should be immediately deported to receive medical care at home, in their country, rather then draining our system. If they need any stabilizing care (such as in this case) they should only be provided such once they have signed a voluntary deportation order and acknowledge that they will never enter the United States again, and that any attempt to do so, legally or illegally, will be met with hostile action.

If the allegations are true it is horrendous and shouldn't happen.

That being said in an interview the family said he came to the US seeking medical care. He has end stage renal disease. That has cost taxpayers at least $60,000-$100,000 every year. We just can't continue to take in everyone in the world who will be a drain on our medical system. No other country allows people who will drain their medical system to immigrate. It would be different if he came to the US to work, then got sick.

Exactly. Just because, despite the socialists’ best efforts to destroy it through Obamacare, the United States has the unquestionably best medical system in the world does not mean we are the world’s hospital. Illegal immigrants should never be permitted to utilize our medical system, period.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good, another drain on our medical system gone.

Seriously, guy was not even legally here. He was receiving medical care that should have gone to taxpaying American citizens. The tragedy is that this occurred on a “routine” appointment, not the very first appointment.

If an illegal immigrant shows up to any medical provider, ICE should be immediately notified, and they should be immediately deported to receive medical care at home, in their country, rather then draining our system. If they need any stabilizing care (such as in this case) they should only be provided such once they have signed a voluntary deportation order and acknowledge that they will never enter the United States again, and that any attempt to do so, legally or illegally, will be met with hostile action.

If the allegations are true it is horrendous and shouldn't happen.

That being said in an interview the family said he came to the US seeking medical care. He has end stage renal disease. That has cost taxpayers at least $60,000-$100,000 every year. We just can't continue to take in everyone in the world who will be a drain on our medical system. No other country allows people who will drain their medical system to immigrate. It would be different if he came to the US to work, then got sick.

+1 Canada would not allow this person to come in.

Anonymous wrote:Good, another drain on our medical system gone.

Seriously, guy was not even legally here. He was receiving medical care that should have gone to taxpaying American citizens. The tragedy is that this occurred on a “routine” appointment, not the very first appointment.

If an illegal immigrant shows up to any medical provider, ICE should be immediately notified, and they should be immediately deported to receive medical care at home, in their country, rather then draining our system. If they need any stabilizing care (such as in this case) they should only be provided such once they have signed a voluntary deportation order and acknowledge that they will never enter the United States again, and that any attempt to do so, legally or illegally, will be met with hostile action.

If the allegations are true it is horrendous and shouldn't happen.

That being said in an interview the family said he came to the US seeking medical care. He has end stage renal disease. That has cost taxpayers at least $60,000-$100,000 every year. We just can't continue to take in everyone in the world who will be a drain on our medical system. No other country allows people who will drain their medical system to immigrate. It would be different if he came to the US to work, then got sick.

Good, another drain on our medical system gone.

Seriously, guy was not even legally here. He was receiving medical care that should have gone to taxpaying American citizens. The tragedy is that this occurred on a “routine” appointment, not the very first appointment.

If an illegal immigrant shows up to any medical provider, ICE should be immediately notified, and they should be immediately deported to receive medical care at home, in their country, rather then draining our system. If they need any stabilizing care (such as in this case) they should only be provided such once they have signed a voluntary deportation order and acknowledge that they will never enter the United States again, and that any attempt to do so, legally or illegally, will be met with hostile action.

I'm sure there is more to this story. The article and this thread only provide the detainee's side. It would not be the first time that someone who voluntarily agreed has second thoughts or recants their decision, claiming they were forced to agree.

Even if everything the detainee says is true, that doesn't equal an automatic grant of permanent residency or citizenship. Neither of these are a remedy for withheld medical care.

I support the deportations but stuff like this has got to stop. Even Nick Fuentes has publicly stated that the way they are going about it is a political liability. I am fine with mass arrests at factories, etc-- that style of raid has been going on since I was a kid. But people still have rights and Americans have an expectation that their government will demonstrate basic values like respect and duty of care in the process. Did Biden put us in this position? Yes absolutely. But the government still has to act with some integrity around things like denying treatment. Before you say that's overboard- soldiers in Iraq when it was an actual hot war zone had highly restrictive rules of engagement under Bush. So restrictive that it led to more deaths of US soldiers. I'm not advocating for that at all but ICE can be expected to be fully briefed on duty of care issues and not extort people for medical treatment. If the facts are as stated-- the media lies so I acknowledge that this may not have happened as reported.

Anonymous wrote:The trials are going to be satisfying.

I am looking forward to the trials. BUT the amount of suffering caused and the amount of taxpayer money wasted is unforgivable.

Is this the country you want, Trump defenders???

The trials are going to be satisfying.

They need to file a habeus corpus petition ASAP; denying lifesaving medical treatment violates the Due Process Clauses of the Fifth & Fourteenth Amendments, requiring humane treatment, prompt medical care, and basic hygiene.

https://www.wfae.org/race-equity/2025-12-03/family-says-critically-ill-man-was-pressured-into-deportation-order-after-charlottes-web-sweep


They leaned around a cell phone, straining to hear Enamorado through heavy static from more than 360 miles away inside ICE detention facility in Folkston, Georgia. He was taken there after federal immigration agents stopped him on Nov. 19 while he was driving to a routine dialysis appointment.

"William? Te escucha?" his mother asked as his sister tried to refill his phone account before the call dropped.

Enamorado has end-stage renal failure and needs nearly five-hour-long dialysis sessions three times a week. Missing an appointment can cause serious health problems that manifest within hours or days — including heart attack and death.

But Enamorado said that after immigration officers stopped him, they put him in a van and transported him more than five hours away without treatment. By the time he arrived in Georgia, he said his feet were swollen and his stomach felt sick.

Williams Javier Toro Enamorado speaks to a reporter through a video call from the ICE detention facility in Folkston, Georgia on Sunday, Nov. 23, 2025.
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Williams Javier Toro Enamorado speaks to a reporter through a video call from the ICE detention facility in Folkston, Georgia on Sunday, Nov. 23, 2025.
"I wanted them to take me to the hospital the day I came here," he said through an interpreter, "but they told me no."

The next day, he said officers took him into a room and told him something worse — that he wouldn't receive dialysis unless he signed a voluntary order for deportation.

"I told the officer if they give me dialysis, I'll stay and fight my case, because dialysis is life or death," he said. But the officers told him no, he said, telling him, "If you want to leave, sign. If not, you're going to die here."