Anonymous wrote:A very small sample from DD’s private school last year.

Five kids applied (all unhooked, no athletes, no legacies). Three were accepted, one was waitlisted, and one was rejected.

The test scores of the accepted students (1500-1540) were lower than those of the waitlisted/rejected (1540-1580). And the GPAs of the acceptances were lower than of the waitlisted/rejected.

Yield protected. Dartmouth knew they were going to get in to HYPSM.

Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth is an ideal school for a lot of students. But it's really not accessible for the vast majority of accomplished students. I wouldn't let a kid get fixated on it - especially in this area. Go look at your high school data over the past few years and see how many unhooked students got in over the past few years. The answer is almost always zero.

Yes-there is no magic formula or anything you can do if you don't meet one of their many institutional priorities or come from a feeder private school. Dartmouth is tiny (1100/year) and within this 1100 they have to roster a ton of sports teams, fill MANY Questbridge spots, admit legacies, admit Native Americans (they were built on Ancestral lands), internationals and on and on. Then they fill most of the remaining spots with kids from a handful of top private schools. This year there were a handful of privates who had 5 kids (each) matriculate at Dartmouth (out of high school classes of less than 100). There are feeders and then there are FEEDERS and Dartmouth has the latter.

By all means apply and you may get your number pulled (someone has to!!) but the decision won't come down to the SAT score.

A very small sample from DD’s private school last year.

Five kids applied (all unhooked, no athletes, no legacies). Three were accepted, one was waitlisted, and one was rejected.

The test scores of the accepted students (1500-1540) were lower than those of the waitlisted/rejected (1540-1580). And the GPAs of the acceptances were lower than of the waitlisted/rejected.

dartmouth really favors a very few select high schools. their average SATS are comparable similar T15ish level schools.

Dartmouth is an ideal school for a lot of students. But it's really not accessible for the vast majority of accomplished students. I wouldn't let a kid get fixated on it - especially in this area. Go look at your high school data over the past few years and see how many unhooked students got in over the past few years. The answer is almost always zero.

Anonymous wrote:It really depends on where you're coming from and what kind of school you attended.

DMV kids are expected to have high scores and even more so if you attended a top private or a top public.

My daughter is at Dartmouth and had a 1560 and the kids from competitive areas (DMV, Bay area, NYC, Boston, etc) that she knows had a similar score (35+ or 1550+), especially if coming from a top boarding school or top private. Then you have a lot of kids who are Questbridge or otherwise FGLI and/or are from rural America (yes, stereotypes are often true) who may have had a 1410 or 1450. So the average across the population really means very little. It's all about what the average at YOUR high school is. To whom much has been given, much is expected.

This. Dartmouth’s test scores were problematic under TO and it wants to
Hide that fact. Not surprising.

It really depends on where you're coming from and what kind of school you attended.

DMV kids are expected to have high scores and even more so if you attended a top private or a top public.

My daughter is at Dartmouth and had a 1560 and the kids from competitive areas (DMV, Bay area, NYC, Boston, etc) that she knows had a similar score (35+ or 1550+), especially if coming from a top boarding school or top private. Then you have a lot of kids who are Questbridge or otherwise FGLI and/or are from rural America (yes, stereotypes are often true) who may have had a 1410 or 1450. So the average across the population really means very little. It's all about what the average at YOUR high school is. To whom much has been given, much is expected.

Anonymous wrote:Even better, Dartmouth released slides showing TO and SAT submisdion acceptance rate and showed relative GPA.

Dartmouth isn't TO now

Even better, Dartmouth released slides showing TO and SAT submisdion acceptance rate and showed relative GPA.

Anonymous wrote:You can see the section score ranges for fall 2023 freshmen, Dartmouth class of 2027, here
https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=dartmouth&s=all&id=182670

and this was when they were still test optional. so this was likely highest average ever

You can see the section score ranges for fall 2023 freshmen, Dartmouth class of 2027, here
https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=dartmouth&s=all&id=182670

Anonymous wrote:Who is this Dartmouth poster?

people are allowed to be interested in schools beyond Williams and Harvard

they used to disclose.

looking back to 2019
English 25/75 was 700/770
Math 25/75 was 720/790

I think a 1500 puts you firmly in 50% range

Who is this Dartmouth poster?

since it's not on CDS

is a 1520 in the mix?