I think only a small portion of current job losses are directly attributable to AI.

The bigger problem is that we are in a K-shaped economy, where the wealthiest are getting wealthier, while everyone else is getting poorer, and as a result, there's less consumption. The top 10% are driving most of the economy. People are being laid off because fewer people are buying.

That said, it WILL get worse as AI takes more jobs. I think we will need to consider UBI funded by a tax on companies that are replacing humans with AI, robots and other automation. That needs to start being a very serious conversation. And any moronic Republican who dismisses it out of hand, "but that's socialism" needs to be called out as someone who is clueless about the problem and who has no solutions for the future.

Ruining the economy for the masses is part of their plan.

Anonymous wrote:“Stock gains are no longer correlated to jobs numbers.”

Tell me you have no idea what you’re talking about without telling me.

Tell me you are deflecting from the main points raised. Focus on the forest, not the tree.

“Stock gains are no longer correlated to jobs numbers.”

Tell me you have no idea what you’re talking about without telling me.

Yet another example of MTG making sense given Trump wants to exempt data centers - which drain vast amounts of water - from environmental review.

MAHA? These centers are often going in rural areas. Their environmental impacts are going to be on Trump's own voters. Doesn't seem he cares about the impact?

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/5418085-greene-water-usage-data-centers/

"“I have many concerns about the AI Executive Order signed yesterday by President Trump,” Greene wrote in a lengthy post on the social platform X. “While I understand the many promised benefits of AI, I remain committed to protecting state rights, human jobs, human lives, human rights, our environment and critical water supply.”

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I”m not sure AI is the real issue here. It is a handy bogey man for the trump admin to hang a poor economy and lower employment rate on. Yes, SOME jobs are to AI, but tariffs and horrible economic policies (cutting government jobs, people scared to buy) are also hurting the economy.

AI isn’t the only issue in our economy, but it IS an issue Trump isn’t directly responsible for.

I tend to agree in fact Biden's AI executive order which Trump rescinded is more to blame.

https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/10/30/executive-order-on-the-safe-secure-and-trustworthy-development-and-use-of-artificial-intelligence/

The title is safe a trustworthy AI development, but in practice it imported as many AI professionals as possible accelerating AI. Biden directly ordered the agencies to find ways to import AI talent. Made AI a schedule AI occupation where they didn't have to do labor searches to get green cards etc.

I am so thankful that Trump eliminated that EO.

EG he has done something, and I think he is likely the right guy to oversee this process for American interests.

I've been saying this for years we never had to come this fast in technology. We didn't need to import hundreds of thousands of software engineers each year.

This is what Democrats asked.

I see nothing of substance in your post about why Trump is the "right guy" - he is all in, accelerating full stop, doesn't care about the safety, repercussions, the environmental impact, our energy bill, or water supply. His "all in" status is even creating rifts within the GOP.

Trump loves AI, and the MAGA world is getting worried

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/13/ai-is-opening-a-maga-trump-split-00534925

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Anonymous wrote:I”m not sure AI is the real issue here. It is a handy bogey man for the trump admin to hang a poor economy and lower employment rate on. Yes, SOME jobs are to AI, but tariffs and horrible economic policies (cutting government jobs, people scared to buy) are also hurting the economy.

AI isn’t the only issue in our economy, but it IS an issue Trump isn’t directly responsible for.

I tend to agree in fact Biden's AI executive order which Trump rescinded is more to blame.

https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/10/30/executive-order-on-the-safe-secure-and-trustworthy-development-and-use-of-artificial-intelligence/

The title is safe a trustworthy AI development, but in practice it imported as many AI professionals as possible accelerating AI. Biden directly ordered the agencies to find ways to import AI talent. Made AI a schedule AI occupation where they didn't have to do labor searches to get green cards etc.

I am so thankful that Trump eliminated that EO.

EG he has done something, and I think he is likely the right guy to oversee this process for American interests.

I've been saying this for years we never had to come this fast in technology. We didn't need to import hundreds of thousands of software engineers each year.

This is what Democrats asked.

I see nothing of substance in your post about why Trump is the "right guy" - he is all in, accelerating full stop, doesn't care about the safety, repercussions, the environmental impact, our energy bill, or water supply. His "all in" status is even creating rifts within the GOP.

Anonymous wrote:I”m not sure AI is the real issue here. It is a handy bogey man for the trump admin to hang a poor economy and lower employment rate on. Yes, SOME jobs are to AI, but tariffs and horrible economic policies (cutting government jobs, people scared to buy) are also hurting the economy.

AI isn’t the only issue in our economy, but it IS an issue Trump isn’t directly responsible for.

I tend to agree in fact Biden's AI executive order which Trump rescinded is more to blame.

https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/10/30/executive-order-on-the-safe-secure-and-trustworthy-development-and-use-of-artificial-intelligence/

The title is safe a trustworthy AI development, but in practice it imported as many AI professionals as possible accelerating AI. Biden directly ordered the agencies to find ways to import AI talent. Made AI a schedule AI occupation where they didn't have to do labor searches to get green cards etc.

I am so thankful that Trump eliminated that EO.

EG he has done something, and I think he is likely the right guy to oversee this process for American interests.

I've been saying this for years we never had to come this fast in technology. We didn't need to import hundreds of thousands of software engineers each year.

This is what Democrats asked.

No, OP, the administration doesn't care.

The oligarch class used the .com bubble/ 9-11 and then the 2008 financial crisis, and now this, to shed jobs and decimate the social safety net. This is just another brick in the wall of the GOP destroying the American system of governance that had been so successful for 70+ years.

Anonymous wrote:It is becoming very clear thar AI is already having a detrimental impact on jobs. The current administration wants to withhold regulation on AI for at least ten years per the BBB and just let it happen though this specific part was thankfully overturned so the states can regulate it.

Meanwhile, AI is already destroying jobs - even if initial losses are white collar, it will eventually impact blue collar jobs as well. The current administration seems to be using tariffs to fuel manufacturing job growth here, but this seems quite fruitless thus far relative to job losses and is just making household goods more expensive, taxing all of us.

Meanwhile, the data centers keep multiplying, use excessive electricity and water. Our power infrastructure cannot seem to support this and the current admin does not actually seem to want to make our electrical bills cheaper. They are halting renewable energy and investing in more expensive coal.

Lastly, the majority of the stock market gains are driven by a relatively small number of AI stocks; stock gains are no longer even correlated to job numbers. This appears to be a unsustainable bubble that will pop and tank everyone's retirement savings when it does.

This seems like a dystopian nightmare that impacts everyone; political affiliation does not matter. Furthermore, I see no evidence that the current administration even cares how this is impacting people.

I agree that as a nation and a species we are going to regret this last 16 years as having wasted our best last chance to ameliorate our biggest threats but I think AI and electricity production will not make the top 5 issues.

1. Demographic decline : for the last 50 years 1st world countries have produced smaller families. This has been offset by improving life expectancy but we are at the end of that dynamic . Almost all of our systems (from social security to housing values) are based on an assumption of an ever increasing population. We could help the problem with increased immigration but as we see there is not an appetite for that anywhere in the 1st world.

2. Fiscal end: for years most of the first world has out spent it’s economy: we are coming very close to a point where the largest expenditure for most industrialized countries will be interest on the debt - at that point in time you’ll see financial pressure on governments that will be almost unbearable.

3. Environmental crisis: at this point, almost anybody of good faith recognizes that the impacts of human development on the environment are extreme.. but long before we see apocalyptic sea level rise we will see apocalyptic insurance premium rise making large portions of the most valuable real estate in the world worthless.

4. Breaking down of rules based international order. We see in Ukraine in the Middle East and now with Venezuela the breakdown of rules based order. no one is going to the UN anymore to get permission to invade or to interdict. Future conflicts will be bloodier and more difficult to solve because we no longer respect the institutions we had just a few years ago.

5. Social divide - whatever you think about Charles Murry he nailed it with his book coming apart. America is divided into two distinct cultures one a rural, faith based culture and the other an urban, achievement culture these two cultures are mutually, exclusive and naturally hostile to each other making our politics not just difficult but dangerous.

good luck everybody.

Anonymous wrote:I”m not sure AI is the real issue here. It is a handy bogey man for the trump admin to hang a poor economy and lower employment rate on. Yes, SOME jobs are to AI, but tariffs and horrible economic policies (cutting government jobs, people scared to buy) are also hurting the economy.

AI isn’t the only issue in our economy, but it IS an issue Trump isn’t directly responsible for.

Not directly responsible for, but also seems to want to go all in at the expense of jobs, safety, accuracy.

The question is, does he care? Seems he cares more about his new bathroom than our jobs or electrical bills.

I”m not sure AI is the real issue here. It is a handy bogey man for the trump admin to hang a poor economy and lower employment rate on. Yes, SOME jobs are to AI, but tariffs and horrible economic policies (cutting government jobs, people scared to buy) are also hurting the economy.

AI isn’t the only issue in our economy, but it IS an issue Trump isn’t directly responsible for.

https://fortune.com/2025/10/30/jerome-powell-ai-bubble-jobs-unemployment-crisis-interest-rates

'Amazon announced this week it laid off 14,000 middle managers—about 4% of its white-collar workforce in an effort to “remove organizational layers.” The layoffs come amid their rampant investments into AI. Target, Paramount, and other large firms followed with their own cuts.

According to a Challenger, Gray & Christmas report, U.S. employers have announced nearly 946,000 layoffs so far this year—the highest total since 2020—with more than 17,000 explicitly tied to AI and another 20,000 to automation."

The economy is built on consumption. AI doesn't consume anything other than massive amounts of electricity. Job losses can only be hidden through layoffs and efficiency for so long before the entire economy shts it's pants. These tech oligarch bros are super smart in one narrow field but they're absolutely not experts in everything and can't see what's coming with too many layoffs. The few that can have pushed for a UBI for years now but the chances of that happening with a Republican emperor is pretty much zero.

It is becoming very clear thar AI is already having a detrimental impact on jobs. The current administration wants to withhold regulation on AI for at least ten years per the BBB and just let it happen though this specific part was thankfully overturned so the states can regulate it.

Meanwhile, AI is already destroying jobs - even if initial losses are white collar, it will eventually impact blue collar jobs as well. The current administration seems to be using tariffs to fuel manufacturing job growth here, but this seems quite fruitless thus far relative to job losses and is just making household goods more expensive, taxing all of us.

Meanwhile, the data centers keep multiplying, use excessive electricity and water. Our power infrastructure cannot seem to support this and the current admin does not actually seem to want to make our electrical bills cheaper. They are halting renewable energy and investing in more expensive coal.

Lastly, the majority of the stock market gains are driven by a relatively small number of AI stocks; stock gains are no longer even correlated to job numbers. This appears to be a unsustainable bubble that will pop and tank everyone's retirement savings when it does.

This seems like a dystopian nightmare that impacts everyone; political affiliation does not matter. Furthermore, I see no evidence that the current administration even cares how this is impacting people.