Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Last spring, an admissions consultant was reporting seeing lots of 3.9 waitlists, 3.6/3.7 acceptances.

UMich considers interest. Just saying...

This makes me nervous about ED bc everyone has the highest demonstrated interest by definition. I think they are going to majorly fill the class with high stats kids and move away from the leadership model. My low range SAT kid DD cried when ED was introduced.

Such is life. On to the next school.

If I understand your take on things, I find it odd.

First, what is "the leadership model"? (Something do with morphing the community question into the leadership question?)

How would the introduction of ED affect a low-range SAT applicant? What's the thinking here?

Michigan has struggled with out-of-state yield. It's much lower than in-state yield. They know that for many OS applicants, Michigan is not their first choice. Accepting lots of applicants for whom your school is not their first choice brings uncertainty and volatility to the process. What do they do to address that and figure out who really wants to go to Michigan? First, they consider demonstrated interest and likely weigh the "Why Michigan?" essay heavily. Second, anecdotally, they yield-protect. (That's what the 3.9 waitlist, 3.6/3.7 acceptances stories are saying to me. Are they saying something different to you?)

Third, they've recently introduced ED. Yes, this is probably the highest indicator of interest. So if Michigan is your kid's top choice, they apply ED to show that level of interest. (Or EA.)

> I think they are going to majorly fill the class with high stats kids

I think they're going to fill the class with the applicants who most want to go to Michigan and who also meet whatever criteria they have for stats, leadership, whatever.

Anonymous wrote:Last spring, an admissions consultant was reporting seeing lots of 3.9 waitlists, 3.6/3.7 acceptances.

UMich considers interest. Just saying...

Ummm no, not until the ED thing.

My DD was admitted a few years ago. 1600/4.0/10 APs/national awards. No research. Never showed any interest. We were surprised an thrilled. Went for admitted students day but then she got into MIT.

Anonymous wrote:Last spring, an admissions consultant was reporting seeing lots of 3.9 waitlists, 3.6/3.7 acceptances.

UMich considers interest. Just saying...

I feel like 3.6/3.7 admits are probably LSA and not CoE for OOS. But definitely agree they take into account interest.

Anonymous wrote:Last spring, an admissions consultant was reporting seeing lots of 3.9 waitlists, 3.6/3.7 acceptances.

UMich considers interest. Just saying...

This makes me nervous about ED bc everyone has the highest demonstrated interest by definition. I think they are going to majorly fill the class with high stats kids and move away from the leadership model. My low range SAT kid DD cried when ED was introduced.

Such is life. On to the next school.

I also think that what engineering major matters too.

FWIW last year my kid went on engineering tour and we chatted with tour guide afterwards who said it was important to talk about easily working with lots of different kinds of people in one of the essays. Who knows if that’s true and/or if that’s changed.

Last spring, an admissions consultant was reporting seeing lots of 3.9 waitlists, 3.6/3.7 acceptances.

UMich considers interest. Just saying...

Anonymous wrote:Anyone know? I've heard it's more competitive for engineering, especially out of state. ED versus EA?

In general, as far as I know (I would be happy to be proven wrong on this), Michigan does not publish acceptance rate information for the separate schools and colleges. They publish the rates for first-years as a whole. Also, the acceptance rate breakdown for IS vs. OS is released quietly, much delayed. (Next month, November 2025, they will release the IS vs. OS breakdown for the incoming fall 2024 class.)

The current cycle (admission for fall 2026) is the first time Michigan is offering ED. So ED vs EA hasn't run to completion yet, so there aren't numbers (doubtful Michigan will release that) or anecdotes yet. (And unless something changes in Michigan reporting, you won't see the IS vs. OS acceptance rate breakdown for incoming fall 2026 class until November 2027.)

You'll get anecdotes here, which may be helpful. But any numbers you see on your specific questions are just speculation.

Last year - kid 4.63 (top 3%), 1540 (770/770), strong but not national ECs.
Deferred from nuclear engineering at Mich but full Banneker Key at UMd.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2024 - my kid was deferred EA then denied. Engineering, OOS, 1520, high rigor, 5s and two 4s on APs etc etc. Great ECs but not in STEM so that likely hurt them as well.
It is super competitive. They got so many apps.

Very helpful, thank you. Hope your kid is happy somewhere else.

They definitely are! Thanks. If they had gotten in, the price tag would have been tough. But I know the engineering school is amazing. Good luck to your student.

OOS applications for the Top Engineering Publics can be brutal. They simply receive thousands upon thousands of applications throughout the country and world. We are talking about kids all with top stats. Just apply to all of them and hope to be surprised.

Anonymous wrote:2024 - my kid was deferred EA then denied. Engineering, OOS, 1520, high rigor, 5s and two 4s on APs etc etc. Great ECs but not in STEM so that likely hurt them as well.
It is super competitive. They got so many apps.

Very helpful, thank you. Hope your kid is happy somewhere else.

2024 - my kid was deferred EA then denied. Engineering, OOS, 1520, high rigor, 5s and two 4s on APs etc etc. Great ECs but not in STEM so that likely hurt them as well.
It is super competitive. They got so many apps.

Engineering at Michigan is a tough admit. But so are all the schools notable for engineering, whether public or private.

But Michigan is changing things with how they do admissions. They're instituting ED. So I'd image that's very helpful for strong students who have Michigan engineering as their first choice. However, there is no data so no one has anything relevant to say at this moment in time when it comes to ED at Michigan. It's new.

Anyone know? I've heard it's more competitive for engineering, especially out of state. ED versus EA?