Is the class being co-taught? Gen Ed teacher plus ESOL teacher?

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Not a troll post. The school is Wheaton HS. I need to clarify:

1. This is a HIGH school. We do not have pull outs. Not for language learning services. This is not a post for ES or MS.

2. Yes, EML (English Multilingual Learners) have always been in Gen Ed. BUT, up until this year, it has been Level 3s and Level 4s (kids who have at least some English proficiency.

3. I am talking about a change from Level 1s and 2s (new arrivals or kids with little to no English language) having used to have the option for a slower/sheltered English class to now being pushed into the “Honors for all” classes (Wheaton no longer has “on-level”).

While I understand this is DC “moms and dads” this is more of a post asking other teachers what is happening at their schools.

Thanks for clarifying. It's extremely difficult to be parachuted at the high school level without support. You should ask your administration. I believe that BCC high school still has support classes for their English language learners. I assume this is due to financial pressures? If there's a parent group for English learners, perhaps you can help get them in touch with the administration so they can pressure the school to reopen some special English class?

Anonymous wrote:No OP is right. Level I ESOL students used to have their own English class, often double period. This year that is gone and they are in General Ed English Classes and it is INSANE.

I do not agree with it either. Where are the basics, what are they supposed to be doing, learning to say Hello and simultaneously reading novels?

Dumbest thing Maryland has done. It is state led btw OP, not an MCPS thing from what I understand.

Thank you for clarifying. So all MCPS schools are doing this? Can we not go to the news or somebody about this? I am leaving crying every day because I feel these kids are not being set up for success

OP here. Not a troll post. The school is Wheaton HS. I need to clarify:

1. This is a HIGH school. We do not have pull outs. Not for language learning services. This is not a post for ES or MS.

2. Yes, EML (English Multilingual Learners) have always been in Gen Ed. BUT, up until this year, it has been Level 3s and Level 4s (kids who have at least some English proficiency.

3. I am talking about a change from Level 1s and 2s (new arrivals or kids with little to no English language) having used to have the option for a slower/sheltered English class to now being pushed into the “Honors for all” classes (Wheaton no longer has “on-level”).

While I understand this is DC “moms and dads” this is more of a post asking other teachers what is happening at their schools.

This is why we homeschool.

No OP is right. Level I ESOL students used to have their own English class, often double period. This year that is gone and they are in General Ed English Classes and it is INSANE.

I do not agree with it either. Where are the basics, what are they supposed to be doing, learning to say Hello and simultaneously reading novels?

Dumbest thing Maryland has done. It is state led btw OP, not an MCPS thing from what I understand.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if this is a troll post or not. But this is a disservice for those non-English speakers. Not only do they not understand a word of what’s happening, but that takes a hit on their self-esteem, makes them feel self-conscious and socially awkward. It’s such a bad idea.

What is the school supposed to do? We have Spanish, Arabic, Amharic speaking students with various levels of English. They get some individual attention and services and extra help to learn to read. Their parents can get help in learning English as well. Communication from school is in at least two languages, sometimes more and a lot of the Chromebook app work is available in multiple languages.
There is now Saturday school available as well.

“Back in my day” they used to have an all esol classes. These classes were made up of all different languages, but would move at a slower pace so that the kids could understand the material. Eventually, once the kids learn English, they would graduate esol. The kids would learn both subject and the language. I remember having esol kids in my specials and advanced ESoL kids in with the general classes. I know there’s only so much the school can do.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if this is a troll post or not. But this is a disservice for those non-English speakers. Not only do they not understand a word of what’s happening, but that takes a hit on their self-esteem, makes them feel self-conscious and socially awkward. It’s such a bad idea.

It has always worked like this, PP and OP. You get pull out services. The rest of the time you're with your class. It's not perfect but it makes for rapid integration.

As a foreigner myself, I can tell you that you wouldn't get better services in other countries' public school systems!
I lived in many different countries as a child, due to my father's work, and I had to quickly learn the language in those locations where there were no private international schools. One location in the middle of nowhere had zero accommodations for foreign students. A kind teacher kept me at lunch and taught me to read in the local language, entirely of her own volition. Some expensive private international schools put foreign kids in parallel language classes for one year to teach them the basics of vocab and grammar. But the rest of the classes are with the regular group.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if this is a troll post or not. But this is a disservice for those non-English speakers. Not only do they not understand a word of what’s happening, but that takes a hit on their self-esteem, makes them feel self-conscious and socially awkward. It’s such a bad idea.

Studies show, however, that they pick up English faster than if they are in pull-outs all day. I’m not sure who does those studies, but that’s why the students are in general education classes.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if this is a troll post or not. But this is a disservice for those non-English speakers. Not only do they not understand a word of what’s happening, but that takes a hit on their self-esteem, makes them feel self-conscious and socially awkward. It’s such a bad idea.

What is the school supposed to do? We have Spanish, Arabic, Amharic speaking students with various levels of English. They get some individual attention and services and extra help to learn to read. Their parents can get help in learning English as well. Communication from school is in at least two languages, sometimes more and a lot of the Chromebook app work is available in multiple languages.
There is now Saturday school available as well.

Yes. They are in general classrooms with everyone. They get pull out and push in services. There is no room/funds/professionals for self contained ESOL programs at ES. When I came 20 years ago I was also a language learner and I had maybe 2 hrs tops at a separate pull out class and did the rest of the day with my regular class.

I don’t know if this is a troll post or not. But this is a disservice for those non-English speakers. Not only do they not understand a word of what’s happening, but that takes a hit on their self-esteem, makes them feel self-conscious and socially awkward. It’s such a bad idea.

When my son was at Bethesda Elementary 10 years ago, there were lots of expats from Japan and a multitude of other countries. They all received ESOL services, but the rest of the time they were in general ed of course. Aides would circulate and try to help them. At that age, kids learn really quickly.

It's much harder at the secondary levels, of course, but you can't segregate the kids for all topics, OP. At some point you have to let them do what they can.

I'm going to let other folks answer, but this is potentially a troll post.

New arrivals with zero English have been in my kids' classes all along, so for the past decade at least.

The model OP is describing has not been true since my own childhood.

Are there any other schools having Level 1 and Level 2 WIDA students in the general education classroom? For context, these students have little to no English skills (cannot carry on a basic conversation in English).

In years prior, these students were in sheltered English classes that were designed to help them learn English. Now, they are being lumped into the general ed. classroom (or at least at my school).

Is this a school directed thing or a mandate from MCPS? As a teacher, what we are being asked to do is impossible and is setting these students up for failure.