Our daughter did not get into Duke, Vandy, Penn, Michigan OOS for engineering/CS. High stats (1500+) and highest rigor for her school. Good ECs but not great for STEM. I thought being a girl would help but these schools are just incredibly tough for these majors.
She got merit from Pitt, Lehigh, Case for engineering.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here- so UVA doesn’t give any merit aid? What about Michigan? CMU? Duke?

Publics in general aren’t as generous with merit aid.

True

Anonymous wrote:OP here- so UVA doesn’t give any merit aid? What about Michigan? CMU? Duke?

Publics in general aren’t as generous with merit aid.

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Anonymous wrote:Depends on what kind of engineering. BME is oversubscribed by women; civil, mechanical, electrical undersubscribed.

She wants civil.

Then she should definitely be applying to the Top Engineering Schools in that field.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate-civil?_sort=rank&_sortDirection=asc

Anonymous wrote:Compared to boys, still true?

Think Vanderbilt, MiT, CMU, Duke, Penn, Michigan?
Naviance shows my DD’s safeties as UVA, Michigan, Pitt and penn state. Can Naviancd be trusted? How is UVA a safety for out of state students? Yes she has rigorous courses, high stats..

I can't think about Vanderbilt Duke Penn because they aren't the first to come to mind when I think of the Top Engineering Schools?

OP here- so UVA doesn’t give any merit aid? What about Michigan? CMU? Duke?

Anonymous wrote:Compared to boys, still true?

Think Vanderbilt, MiT, CMU, Duke, Penn, Michigan?
Naviance shows my DD’s safeties as UVA, Michigan, Pitt and penn state. Can Naviancd be trusted? How is UVA a safety for out of state students? Yes she has rigorous courses, high stats..

Naviance is helpful only as far as your kid's high school.

UVA loves OOS full pay.

A neighbor's daughter in my son's class of '25, MD public school, was rejected from UMD and accepted at UVA.

She went to OSU or PSU. A lot of people don't want to pay UVA 90K/yr OOS.

Not in our experience

For a certain demographics, it might be slightly easier for the girls of said certain demographics than the boys of said certain demographics. But still high stats high rigor is required. A large portion of the female engineering admits are of said certain demographics.

Anonymous wrote:Depends on what kind of engineering. BME is oversubscribed by women; civil, mechanical, electrical undersubscribed.

She wants civil.

Yes, in some cases its easier for girls to get admitted.

But just noting that some of the schools you mentioned, you have to apply by major (CMU). Other schools, you still apply just to the school (MIT).

I've looked at the common data set for Harvey Mudd--and they have fewer girls applying but they admit a class that is 50/50. So if you just run the percentages, the acceptance rate for girls apply to Harvey Mudd is higher. Almost double. You could do a similar thing for MIT (which if I remember is similar advantage). But this doesn't answer your question about engineering schools.

I'm not sure if you can do the same by engineering schools for the schools that you listed above to see if the same bears out. But that would be the way I'd check to see if its true.

There are tons of in-state female engineering candidates with dual engineer parents applying to Michigan. I live in the center of the districts that send them.

If your daughter shows Michigan as a safety then it's likely gender-neutral high SATs plus DMV geographic diversity.

Female Michigan engineers do very well getting executive positions locally. There is still a glass ceiling above Manager level and they are hammering it hard.

The auto industry hires Mech and Electrical.

Michigan places well in California if your daughter wants to head for tech startups. That might be more CS-like though.

UVA and UMich aren't safeties for anyone. It is easier for girls than boys when it comes to admission to schools like MIT and CMU. Not sure about the others but if they admit directly into engineering it should hold with them as well.

Depends on what kind of engineering. BME is oversubscribed by women; civil, mechanical, electrical undersubscribed.

Compared to boys, still true?

Think Vanderbilt, MiT, CMU, Duke, Penn, Michigan?
Naviance shows my DD’s safeties as UVA, Michigan, Pitt and penn state. Can Naviancd be trusted? How is UVA a safety for out of state students? Yes she has rigorous courses, high stats..