Anonymous
Post 09/03/2025 11:19     Subject: Wide variation in standardized tests (STAR)

Are these timed tests? If so, does he get extended time?
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2025 10:25     Subject: Wide variation in standardized tests (STAR)

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Thank you for your input. Can you help me here--do you think I am realistic that a kid who mainly gets As/Bs, is really curious about the world (in an intellectual sense) and has at least average intelligence is not suited for college or a business or creative type of job (ideally some combo).

We are not against vocational skills, but I'd say his fine motor skills are fairly weak so I don't think that welding or plumbing or most other trades are in his future.


That’s very hard to answer without additional info so I’ll give you some things to think about. I think where the strengths and deficits, and interests, are is more important than the grades. He’s only 13 so there’s still some time left before college/trade school so I wouldn’t rule out either one. An otherwise average student can do just fine in college if they’re motivated and have the foundational skills (writing, critical thinking, reading & comprehension, etc) to be successful.

It also takes more than just academic skills to get through college and basic adulthood. So in that sense you may want to think from a perspective of EF & functional living abilities. What’s your/his ultimate goal? Just getting through college or building a foundation for a successful life regardless of career? If it’s the latter you may consider some interest and skills based assessments and put more focus on creating independence with activities of daily living. You could also focus on those and push back college for a year or two or start in a community college if the academics or other skills are still lacking. If it’s ADHD they tend to average 30% behind their peers from a social skills perspective, so it’s ok to take things a bit slower. NC used to have some of the best transitional and adult services I’ve seen, not sure if that’s still the case or not, but worth looking into.

If it were my child I’d want to start with more answers. Why the discrepancies in standardized testing, where are the deficits, can they be addressed? What supports could help him achieve success? Would an IEP be useful? What other curriculum could be utilized? Why are his grades not representative of his IQ/abilities? Are there foundational skills that were missed or are behind that are holding him back from learning more advanced concepts (this is much too common, and often overlooked). Do you have money to throw at the problem? How would that money best be utilized? Testing, tutor, 1:1 to address other skills? Are there any other outside resources you might qualify for? Would a tutor be useful?

What about some tests for general interests, or just spending some time exploring more interests that could be turned into a decent career? I don’t think all trade school type careers are necessarily fine motor based- what about being a firefighter or EMT or dental assistant or CNA? All fine careers that would fit the non-college track.

I’d start with a general review of the standardized tests then narrow it to identify academic skill areas for additional testing- such as reading and math. I’d then think whole child vs just academics and maybe do some functional living/interest based assessments. Then ensure I’m using the next 5 years wisely to create an adult that has the skills to succeed regardless of the career (can they cook, clean, take care of their own needs, apply first aid, follow through with making appointments, troubleshoot using multiple sources, that kind of thing).

Sorry it’s not a more definitive answer but hope it helps you think through some things.


Thank you so much for this detailed response!
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2025 15:01     Subject: Wide variation in standardized tests (STAR)

Anonymous wrote:Thank you for your input. Can you help me here--do you think I am realistic that a kid who mainly gets As/Bs, is really curious about the world (in an intellectual sense) and has at least average intelligence is not suited for college or a business or creative type of job (ideally some combo).

We are not against vocational skills, but I'd say his fine motor skills are fairly weak so I don't think that welding or plumbing or most other trades are in his future.


That’s very hard to answer without additional info so I’ll give you some things to think about. I think where the strengths and deficits, and interests, are is more important than the grades. He’s only 13 so there’s still some time left before college/trade school so I wouldn’t rule out either one. An otherwise average student can do just fine in college if they’re motivated and have the foundational skills (writing, critical thinking, reading & comprehension, etc) to be successful.

It also takes more than just academic skills to get through college and basic adulthood. So in that sense you may want to think from a perspective of EF & functional living abilities. What’s your/his ultimate goal? Just getting through college or building a foundation for a successful life regardless of career? If it’s the latter you may consider some interest and skills based assessments and put more focus on creating independence with activities of daily living. You could also focus on those and push back college for a year or two or start in a community college if the academics or other skills are still lacking. If it’s ADHD they tend to average 30% behind their peers from a social skills perspective, so it’s ok to take things a bit slower. NC used to have some of the best transitional and adult services I’ve seen, not sure if that’s still the case or not, but worth looking into.

If it were my child I’d want to start with more answers. Why the discrepancies in standardized testing, where are the deficits, can they be addressed? What supports could help him achieve success? Would an IEP be useful? What other curriculum could be utilized? Why are his grades not representative of his IQ/abilities? Are there foundational skills that were missed or are behind that are holding him back from learning more advanced concepts (this is much too common, and often overlooked). Do you have money to throw at the problem? How would that money best be utilized? Testing, tutor, 1:1 to address other skills? Are there any other outside resources you might qualify for? Would a tutor be useful?

What about some tests for general interests, or just spending some time exploring more interests that could be turned into a decent career? I don’t think all trade school type careers are necessarily fine motor based- what about being a firefighter or EMT or dental assistant or CNA? All fine careers that would fit the non-college track.

I’d start with a general review of the standardized tests then narrow it to identify academic skill areas for additional testing- such as reading and math. I’d then think whole child vs just academics and maybe do some functional living/interest based assessments. Then ensure I’m using the next 5 years wisely to create an adult that has the skills to succeed regardless of the career (can they cook, clean, take care of their own needs, apply first aid, follow through with making appointments, troubleshoot using multiple sources, that kind of thing).

Sorry it’s not a more definitive answer but hope it helps you think through some things.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2025 13:59     Subject: Wide variation in standardized tests (STAR)

Anonymous wrote:Thank you for your input. Can you help me here--do you think I am realistic that a kid who mainly gets As/Bs, is really curious about the world (in an intellectual sense) and has at least average intelligence is not suited for college or a business or creative type of job (ideally some combo).

We are not against vocational skills, but I'd say his fine motor skills are fairly weak so I don't think that welding or plumbing or most other trades are in his future.


OP I re-read this and I think it presented as snarky, that was not my intent, my apologies. I was truly curious about your opinion. As an fyi, the "career/college ready" wording drives everyone--teachers/admins etc CRAZY and about 50-60% fall there. Also, to clarify the testing conducted was done.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2025 13:56     Subject: Wide variation in standardized tests (STAR)

Thank you for your input. Can you help me here--do you think I am realistic that a kid who mainly gets As/Bs, is really curious about the world (in an intellectual sense) and has at least average intelligence is not suited for college or a business or creative type of job (ideally some combo).

We are not against vocational skills, but I'd say his fine motor skills are fairly weak so I don't think that welding or plumbing or most other trades are in his future.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2025 10:37     Subject: Wide variation in standardized tests (STAR)

You have a legal right to view standardized testing results, I’d start by pushing for those from the school.

If you have financial means I’d seek independent testing for evaluation in areas of concern to pinpoint strengths and weaknesses.

Then I’d find curriculum that better meets those needs and push for those to be utilized in school.

At 13/14 I’d also think realistically about where traditional education will help him in the future and perhaps consider a more functional shift in priorities. I believe it’s age 14 where they can begin vocational services and transitional services as part of the IEP.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2025 10:31     Subject: Wide variation in standardized tests (STAR)

At the end of the school year we did the full neuropsych for our son (just started 8th grade) he was diagnosed with dysgraphia, dyscalculia. Also, noted VERY slow processing speed. IQ was normal, but it was pulled down by the PS. ADHD-unspecified was loosely noted as something to watch, but not definite (and this makes sense with what we see).

We are at public school in NC, so some of these are specific to our state.

For the most part, DS has struggled with state standardized tests that are given in 3-8th for Math and ELA. He mainly gets 3s the "bare minimum for proficiency" (vs a higher level which is seen as "career and college ready") but has gotten Not Proficient/"fail" 2 years. Those tests are always presented as "it's about the teacher, not the kid," but still there is an impact. Though they are never used to hold kids back.

Throughout the year, they also take other tests, including the STAR tests that they take 3-4x a year. Parents do NOT typically see these. They were shared during his 504 meeting and there was a WIDE range--above/average/well below. I am not sure what to make of these and how to help shape future testing environment. I am hoping that if he CAN perform at/above level there must be a way we can help him do this more regularly (or not go from the 7th grade level to the 3rd grade level). Or am I missing this?

Adding to the frustration is that since we didn't see them in real time it's tough to go back and find other factors or ask him. At various times, I asked for access to these and the other set of state check-ins and I recall being put off or dismissed as "not needed".

Any thoughts or tips? Things I should try and dig into with the school?

Thanks