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Anonymous wrote:My parents both with a 6th grade education who got married in 1957 in Bronx had four kids. My Mom was a SAHM, my Dad worked 60 hour work weeks. We had a rent controlled shithole 750sf rental that was two bedroom. Girls got second small bedroom. Brother and I slept on mattress on living room floor.

All four kids got masters degree and all four multi millionaires. Heck I live in a two million dollar home, have a beach house and a Stay at home wife

You don’t need money to have kids. If anything being poor is a great motivator.

DCUM is weird, look at JD Vance. You might hate him but dude grew up poor as shit. The next prez might be trailor park trash.

I grew up just like Vance, and Vance is VP and a Senator solely because he is such a rare case — very few escape the trailer park.

So let’s see, NYC with RENT CONTROL is a huge part of your parents success, and you probably received excellent public education in the 60s (I’m sure you are white) and it’s well documented that Boomers and Early GenX benefitted from the booming 80s and 90s economies and had crazy cheap housing.

Yes, let’s see if 2 parents with a 6th grade education getting married today and having 4 kids would produce adult children millionaires.

Their life sounds pretty tough, and even what they currently have is thanks to the fact that he bought two homes years ago. I don’t think anyone with their income could do what they are doing today with what has happened to housing prices. I wish them the best!

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Anonymous wrote:40k in loans for an associates degree in interior design? That's...a choice.

And she was making a whopping $12/hr at Home Depot and thought it was good idea to keep having kids and then was shocked that she wouldn't be able to afford child care. Then the husband was physically unable to continue working construction and now they're living on like $40k/year. These people are irresponsible. I don't care how people try to spin it, but having five kids intentionally when a few have health issues and you can't afford the basics like sufficient housing and healthcare is irresponsible. Oh but wait, the wife said she's going to get a job in 2028. So for the next three years the taxpayer funded programs they qualify for will just have to do. What a mess.

Moreover, the WSJ held this up as an example of how it’s “possible” to have kids on a modest income, rather than a cautionary tale.

And honestly the only reason they aren’t living in section 8 housing is because her 15 years older DH bought a cheap home before the housing bubble kicked off in the 2000s

It's "possible" but it sounds friggin' AWFUL, relies on government handouts, and could hardly be said to be setting the kids up for much better than their current hand to mouth existence.

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Anonymous wrote:40k in loans for an associates degree in interior design? That's...a choice.

And she was making a whopping $12/hr at Home Depot and thought it was good idea to keep having kids and then was shocked that she wouldn't be able to afford child care. Then the husband was physically unable to continue working construction and now they're living on like $40k/year. These people are irresponsible. I don't care how people try to spin it, but having five kids intentionally when a few have health issues and you can't afford the basics like sufficient housing and healthcare is irresponsible. Oh but wait, the wife said she's going to get a job in 2028. So for the next three years the taxpayer funded programs they qualify for will just have to do. What a mess.

Moreover, the WSJ held this up as an example of how it’s “possible” to have kids on a modest income, rather than a cautionary tale.

And honestly the only reason they aren’t living in section 8 housing is because her 15 years older DH bought a cheap home before the housing bubble kicked off in the 2000s

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Anonymous wrote:My parents both with a 6th grade education who got married in 1957 in Bronx had four kids. My Mom was a SAHM, my Dad worked 60 hour work weeks. We had a rent controlled shithole 750sf rental that was two bedroom. Girls got second small bedroom. Brother and I slept on mattress on living room floor.

All four kids got masters degree and all four multi millionaires. Heck I live in a two million dollar home, have a beach house and a Stay at home wife

You don’t need money to have kids. If anything being poor is a great motivator.

DCUM is weird, look at JD Vance. You might hate him but dude grew up poor as shit. The next prez might be trailor park trash.

I grew up just like Vance, and Vance is VP and a Senator solely because he is such a rare case — very few escape the trailer park.

So let’s see, NYC with RENT CONTROL is a huge part of your parents success, and you probably received excellent public education in the 60s (I’m sure you are white) and it’s well documented that Boomers and Early GenX benefitted from the booming 80s and 90s economies and had crazy cheap housing.

Anonymous wrote:40k in loans for an associates degree in interior design? That's...a choice.

And she was making a whopping $12/hr at Home Depot and thought it was good idea to keep having kids and then was shocked that she wouldn't be able to afford child care. Then the husband was physically unable to continue working construction and now they're living on like $40k/year. These people are irresponsible. I don't care how people try to spin it, but having five kids intentionally when a few have health issues and you can't afford the basics like sufficient housing and healthcare is irresponsible. Oh but wait, the wife said she's going to get a job in 2028. So for the next three years the taxpayer funded programs they qualify for will just have to do. What a mess.

40k in loans for an associates degree in interior design? That's...a choice.

My parents both with a 6th grade education who got married in 1957 in Bronx had four kids. My Mom was a SAHM, my Dad worked 60 hour work weeks. We had a rent controlled shithole 750sf rental that was two bedroom. Girls got second small bedroom. Brother and I slept on mattress on living room floor.

All four kids got masters degree and all four multi millionaires. Heck I live in a two million dollar home, have a beach house and a Stay at home wife

You don’t need money to have kids. If anything being poor is a great motivator.

DCUM is weird, look at JD Vance. You might hate him but dude grew up poor as shit. The next prez might be trailor park trash.

I remember the years when daycare was equivalent to my mortgage. Even though the teachers were making near minimum wage. And it wasn't corporate. Church-affiliated.

I may someday be a grandma and be a full-time grandchild carer. I'm open to it.

Anonymous wrote:I can't read it due to a paywall, but this sounds like a perfect example of people having different (some may say lower) standards of what they feel is a good life for children. The whole "I didn't go to college, so my kids don't need to" and relying on medicaid and living in a two bedroom home says a lot about their mindset. The country would be in trouble if everyone making $62k a year had five kids.

https://www.wsj.com/personal-finance/children-costs-finances-families-f489be7c?st=5gDxTQ&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

that's a gift link to the article. The graph below is from another article about daycare costs around the country.

Arlington! We're #1! We're #1!



Gift link to daycare article: https://www.wsj.com/personal-finance/average-daycare-costs-map-bb0b9040?st=nahiR7&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Bringing a child into the US at this point in time is child abuse

We are headed to a dictatorship that means bread lines no jobs and major death for childhood illnesses. If means if your kid gets polio how will you pay for care ?

Project 2025 removes benefits like medical insurance it removes pre existing conditions like childhood diabetes .

It has men head of household holds and so,en to be breeders

It removes company liabilities from workers getting hurt on the job

It removes mandatory overtime pay



Republicans are brain dead idiots

Anonymous wrote:How old are the kids? A family that size in a two-bedroom might look almost charming and resourceful with a bunch of kids under 10. When those kids are teens and tweens, it will look like child abuse.

Child abuse? I’m assuming you’re exaggerating. Plenty of teens around the world live in one room homes with their parents and siblings.

How old are the kids? A family that size in a two-bedroom might look almost charming and resourceful with a bunch of kids under 10. When those kids are teens and tweens, it will look like child abuse.

I can't read it due to a paywall, but this sounds like a perfect example of people having different (some may say lower) standards of what they feel is a good life for children. The whole "I didn't go to college, so my kids don't need to" and relying on medicaid and living in a two bedroom home says a lot about their mindset. The country would be in trouble if everyone making $62k a year had five kids.

https://apple.news/Aufcdrb9tSU2X2_SBCbNyew

“ What It’s Really Like to Support a Big Family on a Modest Income in America
More Americans are choosing to put off having children—or not having them at all. The Ivys are an exception. ‘It is hard. But it’s not impossible.’”

Neither went to college, the DH is 34 and DW is 20 when they get married. 5 children. Not saving any money for college, they feel kids don’t need college since they did fine without it.

He managed to buy a house in 2002 in Cincinnati on his own, right before housing prices exploded but loaning standards were super loose (he was 20!). But more importantly because he has a UNION construction job that pays $30/hr.

Health insurance is of course Medicaid for the expensive medical issues the family faces.

They are a family of 7 in a two bedroom. This is like a developing nation.

The WSJ holds this up as an example of how a modest income family can afford children.