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Anonymous wrote:One interesting missing stat is AP scores and whether they were submitted. Do you know why? Because notwithstanding how much DCUM slobbers over AP scores, they don’t matter for college admissions.

It’s not missing. Only 13 percent of admitted students didn’t take any AP. The vast majority took several or a lot. It matters.

Learn to read.

They weren't surveyed on what their AP scores were or whether they submitted them. They were asked how many AP CLASSES they took. It's the CLASSES that count. Not the scores.

Keep in mind recruited athletes often get extra support (tutoring, special classes) etc and they seem to be the outlier group at the lower end of the standardized testing scores

Can someone, without an agenda, explain why it seems that lower sat scores seem to have no association with dropout or retention rates at these schools? If these tests are such good predictors of success, why wouldn’t. Complete 100 point drop in score not change your outcomes.

There is a spin-off post to this, so adding my comment here - look how much better legacy kids do on the SAT/ACT.

Thanks. I guess I always look at "User Group Percentiles" for which 1450 is merely 96th percentile, and never at "Nationally Representative Percentiles" for which it is 99th.

Anonymous wrote:Confused by this statement:

Eighty percent of the members of the Class of 2028 scored in the 99th percentile or above on the SAT, defined by the College Board as above a 1440 score.

1440 is 99th percentile?? Or I'm bad at reading comprehension?

“Above a 1440” (ie, 1450+) is 99th percentile, yes.

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

Confused by this statement:

Eighty percent of the members of the Class of 2028 scored in the 99th percentile or above on the SAT, defined by the College Board as above a 1440 score.

1440 is 99th percentile?? Or I'm bad at reading comprehension?

It says 78% submitted scores, but only 65% of athletic recruits submitted scores.

So, that works out to like 85% of non-athletes submitted.

What's also interested is that the below 25%ile of submitted scores is a very large range. More kids with scores 1390 or below than any other group in the 25%ile.

Anonymous wrote:One interesting missing stat is AP scores and whether they were submitted. Do you know why? Because notwithstanding how much DCUM slobbers over AP scores, they don’t matter for college admissions.

It’s not missing. Only 13 percent of admitted students didn’t take any AP. The vast majority took several or a lot. It matters.

One interesting missing stat is AP scores and whether they were submitted. Do you know why? Because notwithstanding how much DCUM slobbers over AP scores, they don’t matter for college admissions.

Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe they are still test optional when most of the Ivies already converted to test required.

Gives it more flexibility to its primary goals of increasing URM/FG/LI enrollment.

Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe they are still test optional when most of the Ivies already converted to test required.

For hooked.
They won’t go back.

Very interesting, thanks.

I cannot believe they are still test optional when most of the Ivies already converted to test required.

Among other interesting tidbits about things like financial aid, cross-admits to other schools and AP classes taken, a segmented breakout of SAT and ACT results are provided.

https://projects.dailyprincetonian.com/frosh-survey-2028/academics.html


I would imagine that the standardized testing for other test optional Top 10 schools would be similar, both in range and percentage submitting.

All in all, the results of the survey make for interesting reading.