Anonymous wrote:Undergrad Business is a waste unless your kid goes to one of the Big 5, UPenn, MIT, Berkeley, Cornell, NYU. Some add Michigan and UVA but they are not seen as quite the same level as the top 5.
Better to go to Northwestern or JHU or another T15 for Econ than UVA for undergrad business.

This just isn’t true. OP, don’t listen to PP above. Look at both Poets and Quants and USNWR to get an idea of the top undergrad business schools.

DS graduated from a t75 with a business degree. He has been out for 3 years and makes $120k per year working at a boutique CRE firm.

Anonymous wrote:Undergrad Business is a waste unless your kid goes to one of the Big 5, UPenn, MIT, Berkeley, Cornell, NYU. Some add Michigan and UVA but they are not seen as quite the same level as the top 5.
Better to go to Northwestern or JHU or another T15 for Econ than UVA for undergrad business.

False.

Anonymous wrote:Undergrad Business is a waste unless your kid goes to one of the Big 5, UPenn, MIT, Berkeley, Cornell, NYU. Some add Michigan and UVA but they are not seen as quite the same level as the top 5.
Better to go to Northwestern or JHU or another T15 for Econ than UVA for undergrad business.

a waste as in can't find jobs?

I went to a highly-ranked (honestly not sure what # and it was 20 years ago) undergrad business school and then went into consulting at one of the big firms. For me, an MBA would have been totally redundant after that experience, but I suppose there may be situations where it's useful for networking or pivoting/springboarding to something else.

Anonymous wrote:If you attend a top undergraduate business program, there should be no need for an MBA.

The MBA is to advance your career if it isn't going well and needs help, or if you have never studied business before.

An MBA is not to advance your career if it not going well. It is required for any c-Suite CFO type job and most other C-Suite jobs. Also needed to advance at most investment banks and to serior level at Big accounting firms.

I went to Wharton MBA 20+ years ago and was surprised at the number of undergrad business majors there, including former Wharton undergrads (not just referring to submatrics, which was a really dumb program). I thought the bar would be higher for them as the school would ask what they were going to get from the experience.

Undergrad Business is a waste unless your kid goes to one of the Big 5, UPenn, MIT, Berkeley, Cornell, NYU. Some add Michigan and UVA but they are not seen as quite the same level as the top 5.
Better to go to Northwestern or JHU or another T15 for Econ than UVA for undergrad business.

Business + data science or analytics is the way to go. Poets and quants is the definitive list. An undergrad degree at the to0 schools opens doors and no, and ma isn’t needed until upper levels and the company pays for it.

Make sure the curriculum is sufficiently mathematical. This will expose them to the “real” way of doing academic business and filter out underperforming classmates.

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Anonymous wrote:If you attend a top undergraduate business program, there should be no need for an MBA.

The MBA is to advance your career if it isn't going well and needs help, or if you have never studied business before.

Should I believe the US News and Workd report rankings of top undergraduate business schools?

This is not my workd - I’m a liberal arts person - so trying to help my kid through the process.

Poets and Quants is more useful than USNWR.

There are quite a few good schools that have solid business majors these days - from Penn to Georgetown to Notre Dame to Cornell to Berkeley to Michigan to WashU and so on.

I think the MBA thing has changed a lot in recent years. If not M7, it's a questionable investment today.

Anonymous wrote:If you attend a top undergraduate business program, there should be no need for an MBA.

The MBA is to advance your career if it isn't going well and needs help, or if you have never studied business before.

Should I believe the US News and Workd report rankings of top undergraduate business schools?

This is not my workd - I’m a liberal arts person - so trying to help my kid through the process.

If you attend a top undergraduate business program, there should be no need for an MBA.

The MBA is to advance your career if it isn't going well and needs help, or if you have never studied business before.

Econ

What do most UVA students pivot to if they don’t get into the McIntyre School when they apply after their first or second year (I forget when they apply)

What are the strongest business programs at midsize schools - say 5k-15k undergraduates?

Do most who study business at the undergraduate level feel they need to get an MBA?