Anonymous
Post 09/01/2025 09:52     Subject: Question for Jane Austen fans

Anonymous wrote:I really liked Jane Austen’s bookshelf. I do not remember the author writing that she had never heard of them as they are mentioned in Jane Austen’s book. Her thesis was that even though those authors are right there in Austen’s books, they have been systematically removed from popular reading and replaced by Austen’s works as though she sprang from whole cloth with no antecedents. So, it had not occurred to the author to have read them.


Yes, NP here, I have to say that I think this is a fair point, even if OP thought it was made in an annoying way. I was a lit major, though focused on German lit, so did not have much academic introduction to the writers OP lists. But I have read perhaps about 1/2 of Austen's works on my own and agree that, at least in the popular imagination, she is presented as a sort of sui generis talent, not as part of a broader literary movement. I mean there are the "Romantic poets" but it's not like we recognize an early 19th-century "domestic satirists" movement or something!

(Also I have only ever heard of Radcliff.)
Anonymous
Post 09/01/2025 07:22     Subject: Question for Jane Austen fans

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I recently read a book called Jane Austen's Bookshelf that explores some of the women writers who influenced Jane Austen. I was annoyed by the author's tone and comments, especially at the beginning of the book, because she repeatedly talks about how she's such an experienced reader (and a rare book dealer) and she'd never heard of any of these women. I didn't think at least half of them were obscure at all for someone in her field and with her interests, so those comments made me roll my eyes a bit.

Have you heard of or read any of the following authors?
Frances Burney
Ann Radcliffe
Charlotte Lennox
Charlotte Smith
Hannah More
Elizabeth Inchbald
Hester Lynch Thrale Piozzi
Maria Edgeworth

I had read books by four of these authors before reading Jane Austen's Bookshelf.


I have to say, as a Gen-X female, I have no memory of these names. I am pretty well read but pretty much stopped reading classics after college. I read four Jane Austen novels in high school on my own. I never took any course specifically on female authors in college. We didn't cover many.

I remember Anne Bradstreet's poetry and Ayn Rand's Anthem from high school. And Middlemarch and contemporary 20th century short story writers from college. On my own, I remember the medieval Margery Kempe's diary and more Ayn Rand (the Fountainhead and We the Living). I also have read most of Louisa Alcott's published books. I chose not to read Frankenstein and Jane Eyre because of subject matter. Finally read Wuthering Heights rather recently. I'm drawing a blank on anything else.

I feel old. I went to college in the late 1980s during the "Closing of the American Mind" era. There were plenty of derogatory comments circulating about the "dead white men" great books curriculum but since I did not take "studies" classes, I got a pretty traditional great books education (Plato to Shakespeare to Walden to Fitzgerald).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Closing_of_the_American_Mind

I do recall reading the work of female historians.


OP here. I think that's fair that as a Gen X as well, I wasn't introduced to these authors in college or high school. But as a reader into adulthood, it seems like a natural jump if you love Jane Austen to at least know of or have read Frances Burney and Ann Radcliffe. The others I've read I was probably introduced to by either the "1001 books to read before you die" list or this great book called "500 great books by women".

But I admit to be pretty nerdy in my reading trends.

I highly recommend Evelina by Frances Burney!


I have heard of half of these, OP. I have done a few "contemporaries of Jane Austen" or "Jane Austen's favorites" explorations for fun and of course encountered Frances Burney,
Ann Radcliffe, and Maria Edgeworth early on. I have also read a number of 18th and 19th-century male authors because of Jane Austen.

Anyway, thanks for the post. I won't be reading that book now!
Anonymous
Post 09/01/2025 00:56     Subject: Question for Jane Austen fans

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I recently read a book called Jane Austen's Bookshelf that explores some of the women writers who influenced Jane Austen. I was annoyed by the author's tone and comments, especially at the beginning of the book, because she repeatedly talks about how she's such an experienced reader (and a rare book dealer) and she'd never heard of any of these women. I didn't think at least half of them were obscure at all for someone in her field and with her interests, so those comments made me roll my eyes a bit.

Have you heard of or read any of the following authors?
Frances Burney
Ann Radcliffe
Charlotte Lennox
Charlotte Smith
Hannah More
Elizabeth Inchbald
Hester Lynch Thrale Piozzi
Maria Edgeworth

I had read books by four of these authors before reading Jane Austen's Bookshelf.


I have to say, as a Gen-X female, I have no memory of these names. I am pretty well read but pretty much stopped reading classics after college. I read four Jane Austen novels in high school on my own. I never took any course specifically on female authors in college. We didn't cover many.

I remember Anne Bradstreet's poetry and Ayn Rand's Anthem from high school. And Middlemarch and contemporary 20th century short story writers from college. On my own, I remember the medieval Margery Kempe's diary and more Ayn Rand (the Fountainhead and We the Living). I also have read most of Louisa Alcott's published books. I chose not to read Frankenstein and Jane Eyre because of subject matter. Finally read Wuthering Heights rather recently. I'm drawing a blank on anything else.

I feel old. I went to college in the late 1980s during the "Closing of the American Mind" era. There were plenty of derogatory comments circulating about the "dead white men" great books curriculum but since I did not take "studies" classes, I got a pretty traditional great books education (Plato to Shakespeare to Walden to Fitzgerald).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Closing_of_the_American_Mind

I do recall reading the work of female historians.


OP here. I think that's fair that as a Gen X as well, I wasn't introduced to these authors in college or high school. But as a reader into adulthood, it seems like a natural jump if you love Jane Austen to at least know of or have read Frances Burney and Ann Radcliffe. The others I've read I was probably introduced to by either the "1001 books to read before you die" list or this great book called "500 great books by women".

But I admit to be pretty nerdy in my reading trends.

I highly recommend Evelina by Frances Burney!


PP. I'm fresh back from summer vacation in NYC, where there is a 250th anniversary of the birth of Jane Austen exhibit at the Morgan Library in Manhattan. It's open through September 14th. There's a short trailer worth watching at the link below.

https://www.themorgan.org/exhibitions/lively-mind-jane-austen-250

The exhibit notes that Jane subscribed to Frances Burney's novel Camilla and that this was one of the three times in her life where her name appeared in print (subscribers received acknowledgement in the printed copy). She did not reveal her name on her published novels.
Anonymous
Post 07/24/2025 20:31     Subject: Question for Jane Austen fans

I really liked Jane Austen’s bookshelf. I do not remember the author writing that she had never heard of them as they are mentioned in Jane Austen’s book. Her thesis was that even though those authors are right there in Austen’s books, they have been systematically removed from popular reading and replaced by Austen’s works as though she sprang from whole cloth with no antecedents. So, it had not occurred to the author to have read them.
Anonymous
Post 07/24/2025 12:01     Subject: Question for Jane Austen fans

Anonymous wrote:I recently read a book called Jane Austen's Bookshelf that explores some of the women writers who influenced Jane Austen. I was annoyed by the author's tone and comments, especially at the beginning of the book, because she repeatedly talks about how she's such an experienced reader (and a rare book dealer) and she'd never heard of any of these women. I didn't think at least half of them were obscure at all for someone in her field and with her interests, so those comments made me roll my eyes a bit.

Have you heard of or read any of the following authors?
Frances Burney
Ann Radcliffe
Charlotte Lennox
Charlotte Smith
Hannah More
Elizabeth Inchbald
Hester Lynch Thrale Piozzi
Maria Edgeworth

I had read books by four of these authors before reading Jane Austen's Bookshelf.

English major here but I focused more on modernism. I've heard of Burney and Radcliffe. I think if I were more knowledgeable about the time period then I might know more about them. I do know that there have always been popular commercial women writers whose work has not stood the test of time or became part of the canon. Sylvia Plath got a scholarship from Olive Higgins Prouty, a popular author of her day. No one reads her now but they read Plath.
Anonymous
Post 07/24/2025 11:05     Subject: Question for Jane Austen fans

The only female writer I knew of who was writing before Austen, is Afra Behn. And she was a playwright.
Anonymous
Post 07/24/2025 10:50     Subject: Question for Jane Austen fans

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I recently read a book called Jane Austen's Bookshelf that explores some of the women writers who influenced Jane Austen. I was annoyed by the author's tone and comments, especially at the beginning of the book, because she repeatedly talks about how she's such an experienced reader (and a rare book dealer) and she'd never heard of any of these women. I didn't think at least half of them were obscure at all for someone in her field and with her interests, so those comments made me roll my eyes a bit.

Have you heard of or read any of the following authors?
Frances Burney
Ann Radcliffe
Charlotte Lennox
Charlotte Smith
Hannah More
Elizabeth Inchbald
Hester Lynch Thrale Piozzi
Maria Edgeworth

I had read books by four of these authors before reading Jane Austen's Bookshelf.


I have to say, as a Gen-X female, I have no memory of these names. I am pretty well read but pretty much stopped reading classics after college. I read four Jane Austen novels in high school on my own. I never took any course specifically on female authors in college. We didn't cover many.

I remember Anne Bradstreet's poetry and Ayn Rand's Anthem from high school. And Middlemarch and contemporary 20th century short story writers from college. On my own, I remember the medieval Margery Kempe's diary and more Ayn Rand (the Fountainhead and We the Living). I also have read most of Louisa Alcott's published books. I chose not to read Frankenstein and Jane Eyre because of subject matter. Finally read Wuthering Heights rather recently. I'm drawing a blank on anything else.

I feel old. I went to college in the late 1980s during the "Closing of the American Mind" era. There were plenty of derogatory comments circulating about the "dead white men" great books curriculum but since I did not take "studies" classes, I got a pretty traditional great books education (Plato to Shakespeare to Walden to Fitzgerald).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Closing_of_the_American_Mind

I do recall reading the work of female historians.


OP here. I think that's fair that as a Gen X as well, I wasn't introduced to these authors in college or high school. But as a reader into adulthood, it seems like a natural jump if you love Jane Austen to at least know of or have read Frances Burney and Ann Radcliffe. The others I've read I was probably introduced to by either the "1001 books to read before you die" list or this great book called "500 great books by women".

But I admit to be pretty nerdy in my reading trends.

I highly recommend Evelina by Frances Burney!
Anonymous
Post 07/24/2025 09:41     Subject: Question for Jane Austen fans

PP...

A related question about understanding what different generations consider canon...are posters familiar with the card game "Authors"? I played with this as a Gen-X kid...but some of the writers were well out of fashion. They were writers my great-grandparents and grandparents were more conversant with. It is American-slanted and only had 1 woman (Alcott). No Austen. Yet this game was considered unremarkably authoritative in its day.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors_(card_game)

https://millerworlds.blogspot.com/2011/10/authors-card-game.html?m=1

Anonymous
Post 07/24/2025 09:32     Subject: Question for Jane Austen fans

Anonymous wrote:I recently read a book called Jane Austen's Bookshelf that explores some of the women writers who influenced Jane Austen. I was annoyed by the author's tone and comments, especially at the beginning of the book, because she repeatedly talks about how she's such an experienced reader (and a rare book dealer) and she'd never heard of any of these women. I didn't think at least half of them were obscure at all for someone in her field and with her interests, so those comments made me roll my eyes a bit.

Have you heard of or read any of the following authors?
Frances Burney
Ann Radcliffe
Charlotte Lennox
Charlotte Smith
Hannah More
Elizabeth Inchbald
Hester Lynch Thrale Piozzi
Maria Edgeworth

I had read books by four of these authors before reading Jane Austen's Bookshelf.


I have to say, as a Gen-X female, I have no memory of these names. I am pretty well read but pretty much stopped reading classics after college. I read four Jane Austen novels in high school on my own. I never took any course specifically on female authors in college. We didn't cover many.

I remember Anne Bradstreet's poetry and Ayn Rand's Anthem from high school. And Middlemarch and contemporary 20th century short story writers from college. On my own, I remember the medieval Margery Kempe's diary and more Ayn Rand (the Fountainhead and We the Living). I also have read most of Louisa Alcott's published books. I chose not to read Frankenstein and Jane Eyre because of subject matter. Finally read Wuthering Heights rather recently. I'm drawing a blank on anything else.

I feel old. I went to college in the late 1980s during the "Closing of the American Mind" era. There were plenty of derogatory comments circulating about the "dead white men" great books curriculum but since I did not take "studies" classes, I got a pretty traditional great books education (Plato to Shakespeare to Walden to Fitzgerald).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Closing_of_the_American_Mind

I do recall reading the work of female historians.
Anonymous
Post 07/24/2025 09:23     Subject: Question for Jane Austen fans

I’ve heard of Radcliffe and Burney.
Anonymous
Post 07/24/2025 08:43     Subject: Question for Jane Austen fans

I’ve heard of most of them, and I read Evelina a long time ago. I’d think it would be hard to be interested in Austen/her era and not have heard of at least some of them.
Anonymous
Post 07/24/2025 08:19     Subject: Question for Jane Austen fans

I read a ton of historical romance and Ann Radcliffe is mentioned regularly, as lots of MCs are women subjugated by traditional gender roles and reading novels was considered unladylike behavior (they were supposed to be reading “improving” literature like the dreaded Fordyce Sermons…sound familiar?).
Anonymous
Post 07/24/2025 08:08     Subject: Question for Jane Austen fans

Same, I read some of those in college and some I haven't read. The author just sounds annoying.
Anonymous
Post 07/24/2025 08:07     Subject: Question for Jane Austen fans

I mean, Austen talks a LOT about The Myseries of Udolfo in Northanger Abbey, so it's hard not to know about Radcliffe if you've read all of Austen.

I read some by some of the others in a specific class on 18th Century authors and the development of the novel but probably would not have read them of not for that class.
Anonymous
Post 07/24/2025 07:58     Subject: Question for Jane Austen fans

I recently read a book called Jane Austen's Bookshelf that explores some of the women writers who influenced Jane Austen. I was annoyed by the author's tone and comments, especially at the beginning of the book, because she repeatedly talks about how she's such an experienced reader (and a rare book dealer) and she'd never heard of any of these women. I didn't think at least half of them were obscure at all for someone in her field and with her interests, so those comments made me roll my eyes a bit.

Have you heard of or read any of the following authors?
Frances Burney
Ann Radcliffe
Charlotte Lennox
Charlotte Smith
Hannah More
Elizabeth Inchbald
Hester Lynch Thrale Piozzi
Maria Edgeworth

I had read books by four of these authors before reading Jane Austen's Bookshelf.