Anonymous
Post 07/16/2025 10:34     Subject: Club swim to summer swim

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Kid is in the shower sobbing after meets about why they can't cut time, OP here.


I could have written this. Turns out a teammate of his (from club and summer) was giving him grief about not being on the top of the ladder anymore. "It must suck to be slow now."

Really wish parents wouldn't share the ladder with their kids, especially if they know their child is emotionally immature.


This is how it is in every sport, including professional sports. The response to such taunting is "For now. Losing is temporary, but winning is forever. I'll be back up there soon". Then your kid needs to put his money where his mouth is and work harder than everyone else. Extra practice, private coaching, watching film of his swims, implementing every suggested improvement, etc.
Anonymous
Post 07/16/2025 10:28     Subject: Club swim to summer swim

Anonymous wrote:Kid is in the shower sobbing after meets about why they can't cut time, OP here.


I could have written this. Turns out a teammate of his (from club and summer) was giving him grief about not being on the top of the ladder anymore. "It must suck to be slow now."

Really wish parents wouldn't share the ladder with their kids, especially if they know their child is emotionally immature.
Anonymous
Post 07/16/2025 10:27     Subject: Club swim to summer swim

Anonymous wrote:Kid is in the shower sobbing after meets about why they can't cut time, OP here.


OP I also have a kid who is very competitive and struggles with stuff like this. I would like to recommend diving into some sports psychology and talking to your kid about it, rather than giving into their focus on times this summer. It won't get better all at once, but the more you discuss it, the more skills they will build to deal with the ups and downs of competitive sports. Here is some stuff I've learned and worked with my kid on that has helped a lot:

There is a psychology around losing and competition, but if you understand it, you can take the power away. For instance, I read about a study of Olympic medalist emotional reactions that found gold and bronze medalists were generally very happy, but silver medalists were persistently less happy or more frustrated in their performance than bronze medalists. This makes sense to me because getting a bronze medal means you almost finished off the podium but did well enough to get the last medal -- you will compare yourself to the 4th and 5th place finisher and be happy that you did better than them. But a silver medalist is going to focus on having lost to the gold medalist and feel more loss as a result. Understanding this and talking about it has helped my swimmer deal better with second place finishes.

Another tool we've used that gets recommended a lot (I think it's mentioned upthread) is to shift focus from larger competitive goals over which you might have limited control onto smaller competitive goals where you have more agency. In your child's case, rather than fixating on times over the summer (when there are so many variables that may be impacting her times in summer swim compared to club), she could set a few goals that will contribute to her overall competitiveness but not be quite so frustrating. When my swimmer wants to shift focus like this, she'll sometimes ask a coach if there is one aspect of her technique they think needs the most work, and then request some coaching on it. Might be a big component like turns or something more subtle like coordinating stroke elements or adjusting body position in the water slightly. My swimmer loves little projects like this, and it's something you can focus on in practice or in meets. Of course she will still pay attention to her times and her finishes, but this gives her something else to think about which can take a bit of the pressure off. Maybe her time is still not where she wants it, but her turns are cleaner and she's getting stronger push offs. It can help level her emotions about her performance a bit so it's not all negativity.

Reading books written by top athletes or sports psychologists can help too. All athletes struggle with this. But the ones who learn how to manage it by understanding their emotional responses and having tools for working through it will ultimately have an edge competitively as well. And also just be happier people. It doesn't mean you'll never cry in the shower after a competition or practice, but it does mean you might not feel the pain of losing (even when you're just competing against your own time) as deeply and will find productive ways to channel those feelings.
Anonymous
Post 07/16/2025 10:05     Subject: Club swim to summer swim

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Kid is in the shower sobbing after meets about why they can't cut time, OP here.


Just tell your kid to grow up.


I sincerely hope this is a joke. OP - my club swimmer has also been adding time. We are validating their frustration, but also trying to help them keep perspective and not be hard on themselves. This is just a snapshot in time really, influenced by many factors, and does not define who they are as a swimmer or athlete. I have a close friend who swam D1 whose number one advice to me as a swim parent is not to put pressure on my kid, take it slow, and to prioritize the joy of the sport over the numbers.


Our club swimmer added time as well during various meets. Seemed like there were fast pools and slow pools, as well as coaches pushing for our kid to swim IM, which tires a swimmer out who might be looking to cut time in freestyle.
Anonymous
Post 07/16/2025 09:47     Subject: Club swim to summer swim

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Kid is in the shower sobbing after meets about why they can't cut time, OP here.


Just tell your kid to grow up.


I sincerely hope this is a joke. OP - my club swimmer has also been adding time. We are validating their frustration, but also trying to help them keep perspective and not be hard on themselves. This is just a snapshot in time really, influenced by many factors, and does not define who they are as a swimmer or athlete. I have a close friend who swam D1 whose number one advice to me as a swim parent is not to put pressure on my kid, take it slow, and to prioritize the joy of the sport over the numbers.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2025 16:47     Subject: Club swim to summer swim

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Kid is in the shower sobbing after meets about why they can't cut time, OP here.


Just tell your kid to grow up.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2025 16:33     Subject: Club swim to summer swim

Anonymous wrote:Kid is in the shower sobbing after meets about why they can't cut time, OP here.


OP, that is not a healthy reaction. If your child is like this about everything, you should find a therapist to work through the anxiety or whatever causes disproportionate reactions. If it only happens with swimming, figure out where that pressure is coming from. If you can't, have her stop swimming until she is in a more secure place mental-health-wise.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2025 14:56     Subject: Club swim to summer swim

Anonymous wrote:Kid is in the shower sobbing after meets about why they can't cut time, OP here.


Ok that sucks.

In no particular order:

* find another focus other than dropping time. The pressure to drop time is real and some kids are harder on themselves than others. Finding another focus could be something technique related (finish freestyle pull with the elbow, suck in the knees for the turns, etc. etc). Point is to keep it simple. Longer term, this is important. And can even be finding another activity outside of swimming. Chasing time will only need to disappointment.

* related to the above is nerves. has dropping time become such the overwhelming focus that's the only thing on the kid's mind when they hear "take your marks". Kid will need to find a happy place. Maybe listen to some music beforehand?

* Does kid swim year-round? Has kid asked her coach? Just thinking that the coach is a better position to assess than summer coaches. If not, then has kid asked summer coaches? What was that feedback like?

* Rest, relax, eat healthy. Mentioned elsewhere, but summer swim can be this fun blackhole of non-stop fun, junk-food, and long days.

* Consistent 2 second differential? Is this just for 1 stroke or for anything she swims? Factors that limit an apples-to-apples comparison between SCY/SCM club swim meets to rec pool SCM. Rec pools are slower than general b/c many of them only have 1 deep end (5") and the dive end is 3.5" if that. There's also no starting block. So already, it's hard to make a fair comparison assuming all other factor are the same.

wishing you the best of luck and hoping you can get your kid to the take the longer view.


Anonymous
Post 07/15/2025 14:28     Subject: Club swim to summer swim

Anonymous wrote:Kid is in the shower sobbing after meets about why they can't cut time, OP here.


Unfortunately that's part of the growth process. A kid cries about it, and then hopefully asks their coach during practice to watch them and provide feedback. The kid implements that feedback and makes it a habit during practice.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2025 14:18     Subject: Club swim to summer swim

Kid is in the shower sobbing after meets about why they can't cut time, OP here.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2025 12:39     Subject: Club swim to summer swim

Anonymous wrote:What sort of conversion method do you use to gage realistic summer, short course meters times after club swim in yards?

DC is underperforming according to all the online methods and im confused why the persistent two seconds difference. Starting blocks?


Does your DC think they are underperforming or is this a you problem?

Every summer I either listen to or overhear parents express frustration over how their kids' (almost always 12U) times yo-yo during the course of the season or start off great but then get slower. I'd ask whether the frustration is coming from you or your kid. Summer swim is summwer swim. Kids are doing a lot of things every day, having fun, spending more time in the heat, etc. etc. So many factors at play. See https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1282613.page

Anonymous
Post 07/14/2025 23:31     Subject: Club swim to summer swim

Plus conversion formulas just don't work very well. Plus the shorter distances in summer swim favor a different type of swimming/swimmer than do the longer distances in winter.
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2025 21:09     Subject: Club swim to summer swim

For my kid, it’s a combination of no blocks, weather, and needing most of the season to get adjusted to the different distance (her tempo is always off for the first few weeks after the switch to meters).
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2025 20:29     Subject: Club swim to summer swim

Starting blocks and the heat probably. And if backstroke, it’s harder to swim straight when outside.
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2025 20:14     Subject: Club swim to summer swim

What sort of conversion method do you use to gage realistic summer, short course meters times after club swim in yards?

DC is underperforming according to all the online methods and im confused why the persistent two seconds difference. Starting blocks?