My provider told our family “i will RX you with ASD level 3 or else they will constantly try and downgrade and eliminate your services”. This was in 2017. I do think this backfired because now the system is overburdened with heavy needs ieps and diagnostics however its the only way the medical system could get around making sure these kids got what they needed. It takes so much time, resources and connections to even get a diagnosis that when you get one you want a “heavy one” as a ticket to the resources you have been desperately waiting for.

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Anonymous wrote:I skimmed through the Nature study very quickly. It divided ASD into 4 groups which were basically Mild, Severe and two in the middle. I'll read it more thoroughly later on.

Which one is caused by 81 shot vaccine regimen plus multiple mRNA shots?

None. According to many, many studies. But not getting vaccines causes death, so there's that.

I only read the shorthand article, but they made it clear that the primary cause is genetic, with many of the parents exhibiting the same traits.

I have a child with AuADHD. After the diagnosis, I looked around my family and found undiagnosed autism on one side and undiagnosed ADHD (rampant) on the other side. I have met other moms of autistics, and many of them clearly have ADHD.

Anonymous wrote:When I read about the four sub-types in the summary, it really brings to mind the disorder formerly known as “Aspberger’s,” and then ASD level 1–2-3 in that order. I would like to see the “social and behavioral challenges” group that has at least average IQ, reaches developmental milestones, and struggles with anxiety, OCD, ADHD etc. as a completely separate diagnosis from ASD. I get that they are the largest group in terms of size, but their challenges are soooo much different from kids who use communication devices, have multiple learning disabilities, low IQ, can’t be in regular school classes, and so on. And it’s diluting care and resources from those who most need it. I also think ASD is being over-diagnosed in older kids, teens, young adults, and even adults, because it’s somehow easier to accept an autism diagnosis vs. some combination of OCD-anxiety-depression-ADHD giving you a somewhat “difficult” personality.

The kids who need care, need care. Period. No one is more or less deserving of healthcare - regardless of why they need it.

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Anonymous wrote:When I read about the four sub-types in the summary, it really brings to mind the disorder formerly known as “Aspberger’s,” and then ASD level 1–2-3 in that order. I would like to see the “social and behavioral challenges” group that has at least average IQ, reaches developmental milestones, and struggles with anxiety, OCD, ADHD etc. as a completely separate diagnosis from ASD. I get that they are the largest group in terms of size, but their challenges are soooo much different from kids who use communication devices, have multiple learning disabilities, low IQ, can’t be in regular school classes, and so on. And it’s diluting care and resources from those who most need it. I also think ASD is being over-diagnosed in older kids, teens, young adults, and even adults, because it’s somehow easier to accept an autism diagnosis vs. some combination of OCD-anxiety-depression-ADHD giving you a somewhat “difficult” personality.

Many in that group are not getting autism specific “care”. They’re getting treatment for their anxiety, ADHD, OCD. There’s no “care” except for social skills that can really be provided. I don’t see how this is diluting resources to children with more significant needs, it’s a completely different care regimen.

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I have a DS with an ASD/formerly Asperger's diagnosis. He has mild needs and is not taking care, resources, or attention away from more severe people. He has a 504 at school, which is minimal. That's it. I have another DS with ADHD and GAD, who may have OCD also. He is taking up minimal resources for those but not taking away care and resources from those with more severe ASD needs.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I skimmed through the Nature study very quickly. It divided ASD into 4 groups which were basically Mild, Severe and two in the middle. I'll read it more thoroughly later on.

Which one is caused by 81 shot vaccine regimen plus multiple mRNA shots?

None. According to many, many studies. But not getting vaccines causes death, so there's that.

I only read the shorthand article, but they made it clear that the primary cause is genetic, with many of the parents exhibiting the same traits.

This should be helpful to people like RFK Jr. who have a grossly misguided view of autism, claiming that 1 in 3 children "...will never pay taxes, they’ll never hold a job, they’ll never play baseball, they’ll never write a poem, they’ll never go out on a date. Many of them will never use a toilet unassisted.”

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Anonymous wrote:I skimmed through the Nature study very quickly. It divided ASD into 4 groups which were basically Mild, Severe and two in the middle. I'll read it more thoroughly later on.

Which one is caused by 81 shot vaccine regimen plus multiple mRNA shots?

None. According to many, many studies. But not getting vaccines causes death, so there's that.

Anonymous wrote:When I read about the four sub-types in the summary, it really brings to mind the disorder formerly known as “Aspberger’s,” and then ASD level 1–2-3 in that order. I would like to see the “social and behavioral challenges” group that has at least average IQ, reaches developmental milestones, and struggles with anxiety, OCD, ADHD etc. as a completely separate diagnosis from ASD. I get that they are the largest group in terms of size, but their challenges are soooo much different from kids who use communication devices, have multiple learning disabilities, low IQ, can’t be in regular school classes, and so on. And it’s diluting care and resources from those who most need it. I also think ASD is being over-diagnosed in older kids, teens, young adults, and even adults, because it’s somehow easier to accept an autism diagnosis vs. some combination of OCD-anxiety-depression-ADHD giving you a somewhat “difficult” personality.

Many in that group are not getting autism specific “care”. They’re getting treatment for their anxiety, ADHD, OCD. There’s no “care” except for social skills that can really be provided. I don’t see how this is diluting resources to children with more significant needs, it’s a completely different care regimen.

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Anonymous wrote:When I read about the four sub-types in the summary, it really brings to mind the disorder formerly known as “Aspberger’s,” and then ASD level 1–2-3 in that order. I would like to see the “social and behavioral challenges” group that has at least average IQ, reaches developmental milestones, and struggles with anxiety, OCD, ADHD etc. as a completely separate diagnosis from ASD. I get that they are the largest group in terms of size, but their challenges are soooo much different from kids who use communication devices, have multiple learning disabilities, low IQ, can’t be in regular school classes, and so on. And it’s diluting care and resources from those who most need it. I also think ASD is being over-diagnosed in older kids, teens, young adults, and even adults, because it’s somehow easier to accept an autism diagnosis vs. some combination of OCD-anxiety-depression-ADHD giving you a somewhat “difficult” personality.

What study are you basing this belief upon?

+1

I might say it's the opposite.

Anonymous wrote:When I read about the four sub-types in the summary, it really brings to mind the disorder formerly known as “Aspberger’s,” and then ASD level 1–2-3 in that order. I would like to see the “social and behavioral challenges” group that has at least average IQ, reaches developmental milestones, and struggles with anxiety, OCD, ADHD etc. as a completely separate diagnosis from ASD. I get that they are the largest group in terms of size, but their challenges are soooo much different from kids who use communication devices, have multiple learning disabilities, low IQ, can’t be in regular school classes, and so on. And it’s diluting care and resources from those who most need it. I also think ASD is being over-diagnosed in older kids, teens, young adults, and even adults, because it’s somehow easier to accept an autism diagnosis vs. some combination of OCD-anxiety-depression-ADHD giving you a somewhat “difficult” personality.

What study are you basing this belief upon?

When I read about the four sub-types in the summary, it really brings to mind the disorder formerly known as “Aspberger’s,” and then ASD level 1–2-3 in that order. I would like to see the “social and behavioral challenges” group that has at least average IQ, reaches developmental milestones, and struggles with anxiety, OCD, ADHD etc. as a completely separate diagnosis from ASD. I get that they are the largest group in terms of size, but their challenges are soooo much different from kids who use communication devices, have multiple learning disabilities, low IQ, can’t be in regular school classes, and so on. And it’s diluting care and resources from those who most need it. I also think ASD is being over-diagnosed in older kids, teens, young adults, and even adults, because it’s somehow easier to accept an autism diagnosis vs. some combination of OCD-anxiety-depression-ADHD giving you a somewhat “difficult” personality.

I skimmed through the Nature study very quickly. It divided ASD into 4 groups which were basically Mild, Severe and two in the middle. I'll read it more thoroughly later on.

NP. It’s a promising study. It’s been obvious for a while they are lumping too many people together under one diagnosis. I hope that it holds up in other cohorts.

Just going to post links? Whats the takeaway for you?

Full study here:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41588-025-02224-z

Shorthand here:
https://engineering.princeton.edu/news/2025/07/09/major-autism-study-uncovers-biologically-distinct-subtypes-paving-way-precision-diagnosis-and-care