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Anonymous wrote:On a country level immigration can work, although most countries are bad at it. But this is a global trend, birth rates are collapsing everywhere. Even in high fertility countries birth rates are dropping at a historically unprecedented pace.

Something most don’t realize is that peak baby happened in 2012 for the entire world. There likely will never be that many births again (146M, we are currently at 132M and dropping).

Nobody should be concerned about a slow steady decline in population. But if every country turn into Japan/Korea levels of births there will be major issues worldwide. Big difference between world-wide fertility rates of 1.7-1.9 and those ultra low 1.2 or even crazier South Korea level of .8.

What is it in Italy? They were trying to incentivize people to have more babies but I don’t think it worked.

Anonymous wrote:On a country level immigration can work, although most countries are bad at it. But this is a global trend, birth rates are collapsing everywhere. Even in high fertility countries birth rates are dropping at a historically unprecedented pace.

Something most don’t realize is that peak baby happened in 2012 for the entire world. There likely will never be that many births again (146M, we are currently at 132M and dropping).

Nobody should be concerned about a slow steady decline in population. But if every country turn into Japan/Korea levels of births there will be major issues worldwide. Big difference between world-wide fertility rates of 1.7-1.9 and those ultra low 1.2 or even crazier South Korea level of .8.

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Anonymous wrote:We can import labor into the US. The fastest growing countries are third world countries. But, certain people don't want immigrants (or non white people).

Look at Japan. They need immigrants to replenish their aging population but they are too xenophobic to allow mass immigration. They'd rather let their population die out. Cut off your nose to spite your face. The US is headed in that direction under the Trump administration.

That is not a sustainable long-term strategy to maintain a stable population. Birth rates are declining pretty much everywhere and fertility rates are already below replacement level in 63% of countries. In 2050, more than 75% will be below replacement level. In 2100, 97% of counties will have below replacement level fertility rates. Immigration is not a viable solution to prevent population decline anymore. Only increasing birth rates or medical advances that boost lifespan/slow aging will save us from a demographic crisis.

Anonymous wrote:We can import labor into the US. The fastest growing countries are third world countries. But, certain people don't want immigrants (or non white people).

Look at Japan. They need immigrants to replenish their aging population but they are too xenophobic to allow mass immigration. They'd rather let their population die out. Cut off your nose to spite your face. The US is headed in that direction under the Trump administration.

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Anonymous wrote:My parents lifelong Democrats always lamented population growth. Now they extol the virtues of population growth through immigration, the lack of cognitive dissonance is remarkable. I feel the only rural Democrats remaining don't have a clue what the party stands for. I remember looking through the photo books where they were protesting Nuclear power plants. Oh but it's clean energy now. Microsoft said so. Anything to beat those Republicans, anything. Came to the city you can sit out by 495 and watch all the "Democrats" perfectly happy to commute hours every day to their data center jobs from their McMansions with solar panels on top facing North.

And Dems feel exactly the same about the perceived hypocrisy of their MAGA relatives and friends. It is what it is.

Anonymous wrote:My parents lifelong Democrats always lamented population growth. Now they extol the virtues of population growth through immigration, the lack of cognitive dissonance is remarkable. I feel the only rural Democrats remaining don't have a clue what the party stands for. I remember looking through the photo books where they were protesting Nuclear power plants. Oh but it's clean energy now. Microsoft said so. Anything to beat those Republicans, anything. Came to the city you can sit out by 495 and watch all the "Democrats" perfectly happy to commute hours every day to their data center jobs from their McMansions with solar panels on top facing North.