Anonymous
05/30/2025 23:02
Subject: Re:Ben Shapiro is begging President Trump to go to war with Iran
jsteele wrote:Israel can only attack Iran from the air and with, perhaps, a few very small commando-style ground operations. There is no way in hell that the IDF is capable of occupying Iran. Therefore, if Israel strikes first, it has to deliver a knock-out blow because past experience shows that it cannot defend itself against an Iranian attack. Israel needs the help of the U.S. to do that. Trump has clearly warned Israel not to attack while U.S.-Iran talks are going on. It is therefore possible that Trump will not come to Israel's aid if Israel strikes first.
I can't see Trump showing any interest in an Iraq-style occupation of Iran. Therefore, if the U.S. gets involved, I think our attacks will be limited to stand-off weapons. The result of those attacks will likely be to turn Iran into a failed state, joining the failed states of Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, and, partially, Lebanon. That is a lot of territory and a lot of people to put into states of anarchy and is a recipe for future problems.
Jeff, it would be much worse than Iraq. Iran’s nuclear infrastructure is deeply entrenched and more complex than Iraq’s Osirak reactor, making complete dismantlement through airstrikes unlikely. The army is very strong and Israel would not be able to have a decisive victory. They will pull us into the war. It will be a disaster for American troops.
One of my favorite people to follow on the subject is DC’s very own Vali Nasr, former dean of SAIS at JHU.
Anonymous
05/30/2025 22:48
Subject: Re:Ben Shapiro is begging President Trump to go to war with Iran
Anonymous wrote:Its a good plan. Then we won't have the resources to start a fight with Russia or China.
It will be Armageddon be suse Russia. China. Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Jordan will join gives against Israel and the US. We have no allies in Europe.
Anonymous
05/30/2025 22:45
Subject: Ben Shapiro is begging President Trump to go to war with Iran
Anonymous wrote:On his podcast he was claiming the U.S. and Israel should strike Iran jointly and that if the U.S. refuses too help Israel should at least be allowed to strike since they are not involved in the negotiations.
Another commentator, Alan Dershowitz, appeared on Brian Kilmeade's show on Fox news and argued Trump should have the U.S. strike Iran if the negotiations arent successful whilst negotiations are ongoing or at least green light Israel striking Iran.
My question: If Israel strikes Iran, does the U.S. have an obligation to go to war on behalf of Israel? If Israel starts a war with Iran would that inevitably drag the U.S. into a war in the M.E. like Iraq/Afghanistan?
Of course. Trump would love a war then he can declare martial law and name himself President for life.
It is the job of Congress to declare war and only a simple majority is needed.
All you fools who voted for Trump be prepared to send your sons and daughters to the Middle East to fight and then be prepared to pick up their remains at Dover Air Force base.
Anonymous
05/30/2025 22:31
Subject: Ben Shapiro is begging President Trump to go to war with Iran
Why do they want nuclear war????
Anonymous
05/30/2025 21:27
Subject: Ben Shapiro is begging President Trump to go to war with Iran
If the corrupt government officials (e.g., wretched scumbags at State and in Congress at the top of the list) who have irreparably disgraced the idea of what many of us grew up believing to be the virtues of our own country make the catastrophic mistake of calling on the SSS to draft our sons into conflict on behalf of Israel, I think the inexorable consequence should be crystal clear to everyone: preemptive self-defense will be declared, and nobody should be surprised when all involved are made fair game.
Anonymous
05/30/2025 21:13
Subject: Re:Ben Shapiro is begging President Trump to go to war with Iran
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Its a good plan. Then we won't have the resources to start a fight with Russia or China.
It is not a good plan.
Did we learn nothing from Iraq nor Afghanistan?
Yes, our government learned they can fight illegitimate wars on behalf of Israel and the war machine by easily manufacturing consent.
Anonymous
05/30/2025 21:13
Subject: Ben Shapiro is begging President Trump to go to war with Iran
Your more optimistic than I am JS about Trump and the U.S refusing to help Israel od they strike.
If Israel strikes Iran, Iran will 100% retailiate, they have been preparing for such an attack for decades. We understestimate their military capability. Their missiles easily broke through US missile defense shield systems and they were not giving it their 100% (they gave heads up, struck at night to lower civilian casualities and only used a few of their best/most advanced hypersonic missile)
If Israel strikes Iran **we will** be dragged into a war and Iran is no push over country.
+Get ready for $8 gas bc they stated they will strike Gulf oil assets.
If Israel strikes Iran, Iran will 100% retailiate, they have been preparing for such an attack for decades. We understestimate their military capability. Their missiles easily broke through US missile defense shield systems and they were not giving it their 100% (they gave heads up, struck at night to lower civilian casualities and only used a few of their best/most advanced hypersonic missile)
If Israel strikes Iran **we will** be dragged into a war and Iran is no push over country.
+Get ready for $8 gas bc they stated they will strike Gulf oil assets.
Anonymous
05/30/2025 21:06
Subject: Re:Ben Shapiro is begging President Trump to go to war with Iran
Anonymous wrote:Its a good plan. Then we won't have the resources to start a fight with Russia or China.
It is not a good plan.
Did we learn nothing from Iraq nor Afghanistan?
Anonymous
05/30/2025 20:34
Subject: Re:Ben Shapiro is begging President Trump to go to war with Iran
Its a good plan. Then we won't have the resources to start a fight with Russia or China.
Anonymous
05/30/2025 19:13
Subject: Ben Shapiro is begging President Trump to go to war with Iran
Democrats have consistently made a big mess over there.
Anonymous
05/30/2025 18:59
Subject: Ben Shapiro is begging President Trump to go to war with Iran
Zionists have been clamoring for war with Iran for decades. Shapiro is just a mouthpiece that regurgitates the positions of the Israeli government.
Netanyahu and his advisors developed the Clean Break strategy to reshape the wider Middle East by planning to wage war on 7countries: Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran, and in Africa - Libya, Somalia and Sudan. The events in Syria in December 2024 are the culmination of a long-term effort by Israel to reshape the Middle East to its benefit.
Iran is the final country remaining on that list. Somehow and someway, Israel will get the US involved as has been the precedent set by the 6 other countries. The extent to which we get involved in this war though is uncertain, though I agree that it is more likely the US will be more hands off or by proxy.
Netanyahu and his advisors developed the Clean Break strategy to reshape the wider Middle East by planning to wage war on 7countries: Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran, and in Africa - Libya, Somalia and Sudan. The events in Syria in December 2024 are the culmination of a long-term effort by Israel to reshape the Middle East to its benefit.
Iran is the final country remaining on that list. Somehow and someway, Israel will get the US involved as has been the precedent set by the 6 other countries. The extent to which we get involved in this war though is uncertain, though I agree that it is more likely the US will be more hands off or by proxy.
Anonymous
05/30/2025 18:53
Subject: Ben Shapiro is begging President Trump to go to war with Iran
Our government has done nothing good in the Middle East.
jsteele
05/30/2025 18:47
Subject: Re:Ben Shapiro is begging President Trump to go to war with Iran
Israel can only attack Iran from the air and with, perhaps, a few very small commando-style ground operations. There is no way in hell that the IDF is capable of occupying Iran. Therefore, if Israel strikes first, it has to deliver a knock-out blow because past experience shows that it cannot defend itself against an Iranian attack. Israel needs the help of the U.S. to do that. Trump has clearly warned Israel not to attack while U.S.-Iran talks are going on. It is therefore possible that Trump will not come to Israel's aid if Israel strikes first.
I can't see Trump showing any interest in an Iraq-style occupation of Iran. Therefore, if the U.S. gets involved, I think our attacks will be limited to stand-off weapons. The result of those attacks will likely be to turn Iran into a failed state, joining the failed states of Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, and, partially, Lebanon. That is a lot of territory and a lot of people to put into states of anarchy and is a recipe for future problems.
I can't see Trump showing any interest in an Iraq-style occupation of Iran. Therefore, if the U.S. gets involved, I think our attacks will be limited to stand-off weapons. The result of those attacks will likely be to turn Iran into a failed state, joining the failed states of Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, and, partially, Lebanon. That is a lot of territory and a lot of people to put into states of anarchy and is a recipe for future problems.
Anonymous
05/30/2025 18:45
Subject: Ben Shapiro is begging President Trump to go to war with Iran
We need stay out of it. What a monster, to insist sending American kids to fight yet another Middle Eastern war. Of course, he's free to send his own children to fight on behalf of Israel.
Nor our circus, not our monkeys.
Nor our circus, not our monkeys.
Anonymous
05/30/2025 18:38
Subject: Ben Shapiro is begging President Trump to go to war with Iran
On his podcast he was claiming the U.S. and Israel should strike Iran jointly and that if the U.S. refuses too help Israel should at least be allowed to strike since they are not involved in the negotiations.
Another commentator, Alan Dershowitz, appeared on Brian Kilmeade's show on Fox news and argued Trump should have the U.S. strike Iran if the negotiations arent successful whilst negotiations are ongoing or at least green light Israel striking Iran.
My question: If Israel strikes Iran, does the U.S. have an obligation to go to war on behalf of Israel? If Israel starts a war with Iran would that inevitably drag the U.S. into a war in the M.E. like Iraq/Afghanistan?
Another commentator, Alan Dershowitz, appeared on Brian Kilmeade's show on Fox news and argued Trump should have the U.S. strike Iran if the negotiations arent successful whilst negotiations are ongoing or at least green light Israel striking Iran.
My question: If Israel strikes Iran, does the U.S. have an obligation to go to war on behalf of Israel? If Israel starts a war with Iran would that inevitably drag the U.S. into a war in the M.E. like Iraq/Afghanistan?