Anonymous
05/11/2025 10:24
Subject: Criminal employers of illegal immigrants
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Employers are not allowed to withhold employment because they suspect someone is here illegally. They receive a no-match letter when the SSN paperwork doesn't line up, but are only allowed to ask the employees to fix the paperwork. They may not assume they are illegal.
When George W Bush was President they implemented a policy of all new hires are to be fired until paperwork is cleared up. This was stopped in court.
Fake social security numbers is not the big thing you are pretending it is. People get paid under the table or often have an ITIN. If they have an ITIN, employers are supposed to follow the Form I-9 process.
No. They file the paperwork upon employment. The employer is not allowed to challenge it. They they put down 17 dependents on their W-4. It takes the IRS time to track that down. By the time red flags go off, they're long gone to the next employer after putting down a fake address and cashing pay checks, tax free because of the false withholding information.
My son's business has a couple of times received no-match letters from the IRS, although this had to do with W-9s and 1099s for NEC. Both times the letter said to take no action and the business would be advised if it would be required to withhold taxes. Both times the contractors were long known to my son, they checked the SSNs and they were correct, and seemed to be an IRS error (my niece was informed once she earned twice as much as she does and that she has children she does not have; I told her to ignore it because they would figure it out and they were not asking for any action on her part at the time).
Anonymous
05/11/2025 10:12
Subject: Criminal employers of illegal immigrants
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Employers are not allowed to withhold employment because they suspect someone is here illegally. They receive a no-match letter when the SSN paperwork doesn't line up, but are only allowed to ask the employees to fix the paperwork. They may not assume they are illegal.
When George W Bush was President they implemented a policy of all new hires are to be fired until paperwork is cleared up. This was stopped in court.
Fake social security numbers is not the big thing you are pretending it is. People get paid under the table or often have an ITIN. If they have an ITIN, employers are supposed to follow the Form I-9 process.
No. They file the paperwork upon employment. The employer is not allowed to challenge it. They they put down 17 dependents on their W-4. It takes the IRS time to track that down. By the time red flags go off, they're long gone to the next employer after putting down a fake address and cashing pay checks, tax free because of the false withholding information.
Anonymous
05/11/2025 10:03
Subject: Criminal employers of illegal immigrants
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:With all the immigration enforcement happening, how many criminal employer of illegal immigrants have been arrested?
+1 Let's start with every DC nanny employer.
Um, let’s start with Trump!
Suits me.
Anonymous
05/11/2025 09:13
Subject: Criminal employers of illegal immigrants
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:With all the immigration enforcement happening, how many criminal employer of illegal immigrants have been arrested?
+1 Let's start with every DC nanny employer.
Um, let’s start with Trump!
Anonymous
05/11/2025 09:05
Subject: Criminal employers of illegal immigrants
Anonymous wrote:Employers are not allowed to withhold employment because they suspect someone is here illegally. They receive a no-match letter when the SSN paperwork doesn't line up, but are only allowed to ask the employees to fix the paperwork. They may not assume they are illegal.
When George W Bush was President they implemented a policy of all new hires are to be fired until paperwork is cleared up. This was stopped in court.
Fake social security numbers is not the big thing you are pretending it is. People get paid under the table or often have an ITIN. If they have an ITIN, employers are supposed to follow the Form I-9 process.
Anonymous
05/11/2025 08:51
Subject: Criminal employers of illegal immigrants
Anonymous wrote:I don’t employ anyone (illegal or otherwise) but I don’t see what this is on the employer. If work papers are provided, why does the employee have to prove they are fake? Let’s just secure the border.
Because most illegal immigration doesn't happen through "the border" and you'd know that if your issue was actually illegal immigration. Most illegal immigration happens through people here legally initially, who overstay their papers.
You want to end illegal immigration? You cut off the supply of jobs. The fact that this is not the strategy being employed should indicate to you once again that this is not about stopping illegal immigration.
Entire industries in this country are essentially built on this underpaid labor. Who will pick your fruit? Who will watch your children? Who will bus your tables?
No, this is about racism. And it always has been. The goal is to remind people of color, especially immigrants, where they belong in this white supremacist nation—quietly working for pennies, not asserting rights like "citizenship" and "due process" and "peaceful protest."
Anonymous
05/11/2025 08:47
Subject: Criminal employers of illegal immigrants
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:With all the immigration enforcement happening, how many criminal employer of illegal immigrants have been arrested?
It's kind of like when LE crack down on prostitution and arrest only the sex workers but rarely the johns. Most employers who hire undocumented workers knowingly know that, at most, they'll face fines but rarely any criminal charges.
I asked Grok and this was the response:
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has intensified worksite enforcement. According to an ICE report, since January 20, 2025, ICE's Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) has arrested over 1,000 undocumented workers and proposed more than $1 million in fines against businesses for hiring violations. For example, on April 30, 2025, ICE notified three Colorado businesses—CCS Denver, Inc., PBC Commercial Cleaning Systems, Inc., and another unnamed company—of fines totaling over $7.6 million for employing unauthorized workers. While these actions involve significant penalties, the sources do not mention arrests of employers themselves.
Historically, prosecuting employers for hiring undocumented workers has been rare. During Trump's first term, only 11 employers were prosecuted in a 12-month period ending March 2019, with just three receiving prison time. The focus has typically been on fining businesses or arresting workers rather than jailing employers. Current enforcement trends suggest a continuation of this approach, with increased audits and fines but no clear evidence of employer arrests in the second term.
This is too bad. It's easy to demonize undocumented workers to the general public, but then ignoring employers' role because God forbid we don't honor private sector money makers.
I'm not against immigration at all and I'm completely sympathetic to the reasons undocumented immigrants come here.
But if ICE and cosplaying "Deportation Barbie" want to be so tough, they should go after employers alongside (or instead of) undocumented workers.
I'm the PP. I did some more digging about which administrations fined or prosecuted the most employers who knowingly hired undocumented workers, and this is what I found (spoiler: it was Obama):
Based on available data, President Barack Obama oversaw the most aggressive crackdown on employers hiring undocumented workers. During his administration, particularly from 2009 to 2012, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) significantly increased Form I-9 audits, jumping from 503 in 2008 to over 8,000 in 2009. Final orders against employers for hiring violations rose from 2 in 2007 to 495 in 2012, and employer arrests increased from 92 in 2007 to 240 in 2012. A notable peak occurred in 2009, with 25 criminal prosecutions of employers, the highest annual figure recorded. Additionally, high-profile fines were imposed, such as a $1 million penalty against Abercrombie & Fitch. While other administrations, like George W. Bush’s (with a peak of 20 prosecutions in 2005) and Donald Trump’s (11 prosecutions from 2018–2019), pursued enforcement, Obama’s policies shifted focus toward employer accountability through audits and sanctions, resulting in the highest documented enforcement actions.
It'll be interesting to watch how the Trump II administration treats employers, many who are probably Republican.
Anonymous
05/11/2025 08:45
Subject: Criminal employers of illegal immigrants
Employers are not allowed to withhold employment because they suspect someone is here illegally. They receive a no-match letter when the SSN paperwork doesn't line up, but are only allowed to ask the employees to fix the paperwork. They may not assume they are illegal.
When George W Bush was President they implemented a policy of all new hires are to be fired until paperwork is cleared up. This was stopped in court.
When George W Bush was President they implemented a policy of all new hires are to be fired until paperwork is cleared up. This was stopped in court.
Anonymous
05/11/2025 08:44
Subject: Criminal employers of illegal immigrants
Anonymous wrote:I don’t employ anyone (illegal or otherwise) but I don’t see what this is on the employer. If work papers are provided, why does the employee have to prove they are fake? Let’s just secure the border.
Come on. Fake work papers are a minority of the situations. How many migrants working in agriculture provide fake work papers? Very few.
Are you going to start with the farmers, Kristi???
https://www.statista.com/chart/34074/us-industries-highest-share-of-the-workforce-undocumented-immigrants/
Anonymous
05/11/2025 08:36
Subject: Criminal employers of illegal immigrants
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:With all the immigration enforcement happening, how many criminal employer of illegal immigrants have been arrested?
It's kind of like when LE crack down on prostitution and arrest only the sex workers but rarely the johns. Most employers who hire undocumented workers knowingly know that, at most, they'll face fines but rarely any criminal charges.
I asked Grok and this was the response:
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has intensified worksite enforcement. According to an ICE report, since January 20, 2025, ICE's Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) has arrested over 1,000 undocumented workers and proposed more than $1 million in fines against businesses for hiring violations. For example, on April 30, 2025, ICE notified three Colorado businesses—CCS Denver, Inc., PBC Commercial Cleaning Systems, Inc., and another unnamed company—of fines totaling over $7.6 million for employing unauthorized workers. While these actions involve significant penalties, the sources do not mention arrests of employers themselves.
Historically, prosecuting employers for hiring undocumented workers has been rare. During Trump's first term, only 11 employers were prosecuted in a 12-month period ending March 2019, with just three receiving prison time. The focus has typically been on fining businesses or arresting workers rather than jailing employers. Current enforcement trends suggest a continuation of this approach, with increased audits and fines but no clear evidence of employer arrests in the second term.
This is too bad. It's easy to demonize undocumented workers to the general public, but then ignoring employers' role because God forbid we don't honor private sector money makers.
I'm not against immigration at all and I'm completely sympathetic to the reasons undocumented immigrants come here.
But if ICE and cosplaying "Deportation Barbie" want to be so tough, they should go after employers alongside (or instead of) undocumented workers.
Anonymous
05/11/2025 08:28
Subject: Criminal employers of illegal immigrants
I don’t employ anyone (illegal or otherwise) but I don’t see what this is on the employer. If work papers are provided, why does the employee have to prove they are fake? Let’s just secure the border.
Anonymous
05/11/2025 08:28
Subject: Criminal employers of illegal immigrants
Some undocumented immigrants work by borrowing or buying others' IDs (SS, etc.). So when an employer runs the person's name through the system, the person seems to appear. The employer may not know or may look the other way of they are savvier.
You may have read that undocumented immigrants very often pay income taxes -- that's a major way they do that. Their employers are taking out FICA, federal income taxes, etc. from the paychecks -- but under an incorrect name.
You may have read that undocumented immigrants very often pay income taxes -- that's a major way they do that. Their employers are taking out FICA, federal income taxes, etc. from the paychecks -- but under an incorrect name.
Anonymous
05/11/2025 08:19
Subject: Criminal employers of illegal immigrants
Anonymous wrote:With all the immigration enforcement happening, how many criminal employer of illegal immigrants have been arrested?
+1 Let's start with every DC nanny employer.
Anonymous
05/11/2025 07:52
Subject: Criminal employers of illegal immigrants
Anonymous wrote:With all the immigration enforcement happening, how many criminal employer of illegal immigrants have been arrested?
It's kind of like when LE crack down on prostitution and arrest only the sex workers but rarely the johns. Most employers who hire undocumented workers knowingly know that, at most, they'll face fines but rarely any criminal charges.
I asked Grok and this was the response:
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has intensified worksite enforcement. According to an ICE report, since January 20, 2025, ICE's Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) has arrested over 1,000 undocumented workers and proposed more than $1 million in fines against businesses for hiring violations. For example, on April 30, 2025, ICE notified three Colorado businesses—CCS Denver, Inc., PBC Commercial Cleaning Systems, Inc., and another unnamed company—of fines totaling over $7.6 million for employing unauthorized workers. While these actions involve significant penalties, the sources do not mention arrests of employers themselves.
Historically, prosecuting employers for hiring undocumented workers has been rare. During Trump's first term, only 11 employers were prosecuted in a 12-month period ending March 2019, with just three receiving prison time. The focus has typically been on fining businesses or arresting workers rather than jailing employers. Current enforcement trends suggest a continuation of this approach, with increased audits and fines but no clear evidence of employer arrests in the second term.
Anonymous
05/11/2025 07:23
Subject: Criminal employers of illegal immigrants
With all the immigration enforcement happening, how many criminal employer of illegal immigrants have been arrested?