Anonymous
05/09/2025 13:29
Subject: The Hidden Burden on Middle-Class Families in Public Schools
That’s a liberal mindset that you have to sacrifice yourself and your children for the benefit of others. Sorry, but I “noped” out of that way of thinking years ago.
I went to public schools all my life and they were wonderful, but I had to send my kids to Catholic school to get a similar education for them.
We still pay taxes so the system gets money for schools we don’t use. That’s enough sacrifice from me.
I went to public schools all my life and they were wonderful, but I had to send my kids to Catholic school to get a similar education for them.
We still pay taxes so the system gets money for schools we don’t use. That’s enough sacrifice from me.
Anonymous
05/09/2025 13:24
Subject: The Hidden Burden on Middle-Class Families in Public Schools
Anonymous wrote:There’s something I’ve noticed more clearly as my kids get older — especially in progressive or urban public school spaces — and I wonder if others feel it too.
There’s this quiet but powerful expectation that middle- and upper-middle-class families (especially with “easy” kids) have a social obligation to stay in the public system. That we should “share space” with higher-needs peers — not just in theory, but in the actual experience of the classroom: absorbing disruptions, lowered expectations, limited differentiation, and the constant shifting of instructional time toward emotional or behavioral management.
The message isn’t always explicit, but it’s there: If you leave, you’re abandoning equity. If you stay, your child’s stability is the price you pay.
Meanwhile, families who are truly wealthy — who can afford $45K+/year private schools without blinking — face no such guilt. They opt out completely, and no one expects them to justify it. But the “responsibility” of sticking it out seems to land squarely on the shoulders of those who are just well off enough to have options, but not wealthy enough to float above the system entirely.
Of course high-needs students deserve support. But what often gets lost is that your average, well-behaved, academically prepared child also deserves to learn in peace, at a steady pace, with teachers who are able to teach — not just manage. And when that kind of classroom becomes rare, families like mine are left with a false choice: stay and sacrifice growth, or leave and be labeled selfish.
At some point, I stopped feeling guilty for choosing clarity, structure, and consistency — even if that means looking outside the traditional public system.
Yes. And you should feel guilty for being part of the problem. Public education is good and necessary for society. Shame on you. Shame! SHAME!!!
Anonymous
05/09/2025 13:24
Subject: Re:The Hidden Burden on Middle-Class Families in Public Schools
Anonymous wrote:The problem is an increasing number of kids have serious special needs. That, combined with the theory that integrating special needs kids is better for all of them, creates a perfect storm where no ones needs are actually being met. My kids went to a top elementary school in a high income area and many of the kids either 1) didn't speak English as a first language well 2) were autistic (enough that they needed headphones and/or an adult assistant) 3) the kids of neurosurgeons and constitutional lawyers
Who can manage that?
My kid is in a discrete classroom and has been for the last 7 yrs. I’m familiar with what’s offered in MCPS from elem-HS. My kid has special needs because he can’t handle the chaos and noise of 28+ people. Put him in a class of 12-15 and now as a HS kid he can handle 20-25, and he’s fine. All kids would benefit from smaller class sizes. Many of the parents I’ve interacted with over the years have stated their kid has similar issues. To me, needing a smaller environment isn’t a special need. However when the norm is a large environment, then I guess small = special. I still think if they reduced class size overall, there would be less kids qualifying for IEPs and placed in discrete classes and overall kids would learn more.
Anonymous
05/09/2025 13:22
Subject: The Hidden Burden on Middle-Class Families in Public Schools
Anonymous wrote:I think you are missing a piece.
Often the pressure for UMC families to stay in public education comes from middle class families or even UMC families who for whatever reason cannot afford or don't want to go private.
And the reason is not because they want the UMC kids to "share space" with poor kids. It's because middle class families who can't afford private want to have well-resourced peers with educated parents. They don't want to be left alone to struggle through a public education system where they are the minority and where the entire system pretty much has to focus on the neediest students at the expense of middle class kids who, in that environment, are considered privileged.
Thus educated middle class families where the parents are teachers, government workers, nurses, administrators, etc., don't want the kids of doctors and lawyers to abandon public school for private. They know their kids will greatly benefit from a system where they are still "in the middle" in terms of SES.
I also think that among low income families and the people who are focused on helping low income kids, there's little pressure on UMC families to stay in the system. Instead, I think there is resentment towards these families and a sense of relief when they leave, because if you are focused on the needs of low income families in public education, the interests and demands of UMC families can be seen as a distraction and detraction.
I have seen this dynamic first hand at a Title 1 school that was openly hostile to UMC parents who wanted things common in UMC suburban schools.
By grouping middle and UMC families together (where UMC families *can* afford private, sometimes with some sacrifice, and middle class families cannot) you are missing the truth of the dynamic.
Agree with this entirely. Have experience in the same environment.
Anonymous
05/09/2025 13:18
Subject: The Hidden Burden on Middle-Class Families in Public Schools
I think you are missing a piece.
Often the pressure for UMC families to stay in public education comes from middle class families or even UMC families who for whatever reason cannot afford or don't want to go private.
And the reason is not because they want the UMC kids to "share space" with poor kids. It's because middle class families who can't afford private want to have well-resourced peers with educated parents. They don't want to be left alone to struggle through a public education system where they are the minority and where the entire system pretty much has to focus on the neediest students at the expense of middle class kids who, in that environment, are considered privileged.
Thus educated middle class families where the parents are teachers, government workers, nurses, administrators, etc., don't want the kids of doctors and lawyers to abandon public school for private. They know their kids will greatly benefit from a system where they are still "in the middle" in terms of SES.
I also think that among low income families and the people who are focused on helping low income kids, there's little pressure on UMC families to stay in the system. Instead, I think there is resentment towards these families and a sense of relief when they leave, because if you are focused on the needs of low income families in public education, the interests and demands of UMC families can be seen as a distraction and detraction.
I have seen this dynamic first hand at a Title 1 school that was openly hostile to UMC parents who wanted things common in UMC suburban schools.
By grouping middle and UMC families together (where UMC families *can* afford private, sometimes with some sacrifice, and middle class families cannot) you are missing the truth of the dynamic.
Often the pressure for UMC families to stay in public education comes from middle class families or even UMC families who for whatever reason cannot afford or don't want to go private.
And the reason is not because they want the UMC kids to "share space" with poor kids. It's because middle class families who can't afford private want to have well-resourced peers with educated parents. They don't want to be left alone to struggle through a public education system where they are the minority and where the entire system pretty much has to focus on the neediest students at the expense of middle class kids who, in that environment, are considered privileged.
Thus educated middle class families where the parents are teachers, government workers, nurses, administrators, etc., don't want the kids of doctors and lawyers to abandon public school for private. They know their kids will greatly benefit from a system where they are still "in the middle" in terms of SES.
I also think that among low income families and the people who are focused on helping low income kids, there's little pressure on UMC families to stay in the system. Instead, I think there is resentment towards these families and a sense of relief when they leave, because if you are focused on the needs of low income families in public education, the interests and demands of UMC families can be seen as a distraction and detraction.
I have seen this dynamic first hand at a Title 1 school that was openly hostile to UMC parents who wanted things common in UMC suburban schools.
By grouping middle and UMC families together (where UMC families *can* afford private, sometimes with some sacrifice, and middle class families cannot) you are missing the truth of the dynamic.
Anonymous
05/09/2025 13:11
Subject: Re:The Hidden Burden on Middle-Class Families in Public Schools
The problem is an increasing number of kids have serious special needs. That, combined with the theory that integrating special needs kids is better for all of them, creates a perfect storm where no ones needs are actually being met. My kids went to a top elementary school in a high income area and many of the kids either 1) didn't speak English as a first language well 2) were autistic (enough that they needed headphones and/or an adult assistant) 3) the kids of neurosurgeons and constitutional lawyers
Who can manage that?
Who can manage that?
Anonymous
05/09/2025 13:04
Subject: The Hidden Burden on Middle-Class Families in Public Schools
You are correct OP. Some of the snarky, shaming voices are starting to quiet as the problem is accelerating. All of my friends who were public school teachers have now left within the last 5 years, because of the obvious problems you cite. Unless you are in a high income, segregated neighborhood, public schools are over.
Anonymous
05/09/2025 13:00
Subject: The Hidden Burden on Middle-Class Families in Public Schools
Duh. Nothing new, we all know about it.
Anonymous
05/09/2025 12:48
Subject: The Hidden Burden on Middle-Class Families in Public Schools
I don't know any middle class person who feels guilty. It's primarily a money question.
I have the money to send my two kids to expensive privates. But I preferred to move to a great public school district in a wealthy enclave, and thus invest in real estate that would never go down in price (it stagnated during the 2008 recession), and get a good-enough education for the price of my taxes. I supplement with a reading list of classics at home, and expensive one-on-one tutors when they need it to help them to get stellar GPAs, AP and SAT test scores. This decision frees up money for any private university they want, with grad school if needed. My oldest goes to an 85K a year uni.
This is VERY CLEARLY a money question: where to allocate funds to act in children's best interests.
Some of my wealthy neighbors don't need to make that calculus - they have enough to offer their kids private all the way, plus the downpayment on the home, the car, etc. More power to them!
PS: one of my kids went to a special needs program in his public school. It was a way better fit than any private. So don't think that "high needs" kids always need privates.
Anonymous
05/09/2025 12:32
Subject: The Hidden Burden on Middle-Class Families in Public Schools
Our HHI is $160,000 and we opted out of public options and put our kids in catholic HS. I would 100% do it again. My kids went public for ES and MS to schools with 50% FARMS rates. It was fine. Not great. I didn't do it to support public education, I did it because it was best for us financially. I have zero guilt about sending my kids to private for HS.
Anonymous
05/09/2025 12:28
Subject: The Hidden Burden on Middle-Class Families in Public Schools
We are DCUM middle class and opted out without a second thought. I advocate where possible for others with fewer means to have the choice to opt out also, but of course that's not politically popular around here.
Anonymous
05/09/2025 12:26
Subject: The Hidden Burden on Middle-Class Families in Public Schools
Anonymous wrote:Nobody should feel guilty for leaving the public school system if it's not working for your kid. Housing policy means that the "best" public schools often exclude most of the population due to housing prices. If anything, people moving to those areas and sending their kids to publicly funded schools are the worst. At least private school families are paying for their kids' education.
100% agree with this. Have you seen the angry parents at proposed re-districting meetings for public schools? They're literally paying for exclusion of lower SES kids so their child can attend a "quality" school paid by the public purse.
Anonymous
05/09/2025 12:26
Subject: The Hidden Burden on Middle-Class Families in Public Schools
Anonymous wrote:There’s something I’ve noticed more clearly as my kids get older — especially in progressive or urban public school spaces — and I wonder if others feel it too.
There’s this quiet but powerful expectation that middle- and upper-middle-class families (especially with “easy” kids) have a social obligation to stay in the public system. That we should “share space” with higher-needs peers — not just in theory, but in the actual experience of the classroom: absorbing disruptions, lowered expectations, limited differentiation, and the constant shifting of instructional time toward emotional or behavioral management.
The message isn’t always explicit, but it’s there: If you leave, you’re abandoning equity. If you stay, your child’s stability is the price you pay.
Meanwhile, families who are truly wealthy — who can afford $45K+/year private schools without blinking — face no such guilt. They opt out completely, and no one expects them to justify it. But the “responsibility” of sticking it out seems to land squarely on the shoulders of those who are just well off enough to have options, but not wealthy enough to float above the system entirely.
Of course high-needs students deserve support. But what often gets lost is that your average, well-behaved, academically prepared child also deserves to learn in peace, at a steady pace, with teachers who are able to teach — not just manage. And when that kind of classroom becomes rare, families like mine are left with a false choice: stay and sacrifice growth, or leave and be labeled selfish.
At some point, I stopped feeling guilty for choosing clarity, structure, and consistency — even if that means looking outside the traditional public system.
I think that if you truly stopped feeling guilty, you wouldn’t have started a thread like this. Perhaps you should ask to talk about this issue the next time you meet with your therapist.
As for general expectation, yes, there are a few that try to convince others to stay for purely equity reasons, but most parents I know choose what’s best for their child, and most support that idea.
Anonymous
05/09/2025 12:21
Subject: The Hidden Burden on Middle-Class Families in Public Schools
Nobody should feel guilty for leaving the public school system if it's not working for your kid. Housing policy means that the "best" public schools often exclude most of the population due to housing prices. If anything, people moving to those areas and sending their kids to publicly funded schools are the worst. At least private school families are paying for their kids' education.
Anonymous
05/09/2025 12:18
Subject: The Hidden Burden on Middle-Class Families in Public Schools
There’s something I’ve noticed more clearly as my kids get older — especially in progressive or urban public school spaces — and I wonder if others feel it too.
There’s this quiet but powerful expectation that middle- and upper-middle-class families (especially with “easy” kids) have a social obligation to stay in the public system. That we should “share space” with higher-needs peers — not just in theory, but in the actual experience of the classroom: absorbing disruptions, lowered expectations, limited differentiation, and the constant shifting of instructional time toward emotional or behavioral management.
The message isn’t always explicit, but it’s there: If you leave, you’re abandoning equity. If you stay, your child’s stability is the price you pay.
Meanwhile, families who are truly wealthy — who can afford $45K+/year private schools without blinking — face no such guilt. They opt out completely, and no one expects them to justify it. But the “responsibility” of sticking it out seems to land squarely on the shoulders of those who are just well off enough to have options, but not wealthy enough to float above the system entirely.
Of course high-needs students deserve support. But what often gets lost is that your average, well-behaved, academically prepared child also deserves to learn in peace, at a steady pace, with teachers who are able to teach — not just manage. And when that kind of classroom becomes rare, families like mine are left with a false choice: stay and sacrifice growth, or leave and be labeled selfish.
At some point, I stopped feeling guilty for choosing clarity, structure, and consistency — even if that means looking outside the traditional public system.
There’s this quiet but powerful expectation that middle- and upper-middle-class families (especially with “easy” kids) have a social obligation to stay in the public system. That we should “share space” with higher-needs peers — not just in theory, but in the actual experience of the classroom: absorbing disruptions, lowered expectations, limited differentiation, and the constant shifting of instructional time toward emotional or behavioral management.
The message isn’t always explicit, but it’s there: If you leave, you’re abandoning equity. If you stay, your child’s stability is the price you pay.
Meanwhile, families who are truly wealthy — who can afford $45K+/year private schools without blinking — face no such guilt. They opt out completely, and no one expects them to justify it. But the “responsibility” of sticking it out seems to land squarely on the shoulders of those who are just well off enough to have options, but not wealthy enough to float above the system entirely.
Of course high-needs students deserve support. But what often gets lost is that your average, well-behaved, academically prepared child also deserves to learn in peace, at a steady pace, with teachers who are able to teach — not just manage. And when that kind of classroom becomes rare, families like mine are left with a false choice: stay and sacrifice growth, or leave and be labeled selfish.
At some point, I stopped feeling guilty for choosing clarity, structure, and consistency — even if that means looking outside the traditional public system.